Posts by TTWSYF

no, i did not stop studying because i believe the jehovah's witnesses are a 'cult', i left due to the minor beliefs that i hold that remain separate from the organization.

i called my elder who is still an amazing man and great counselor, affirming that i do not wish to continue my studying.

TTWSYF

5 pages of BS, stop the insanity now please...

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Jesus confuses his apostles about baptism

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jesus's apostles were confused by some of his sayings.

they didn't understand the true sense of what jesus was trying to tell them about baptism.

"no one'', he said, ''would get the true meaning of this scripture until a modern day "organization" in the 21st century rises up and reveals the truth.".

TTWSYF

My bad Rules and Regs.

Of course, now I see that it was tongue in cheek. I am so jaded on this site that I think everyone is engaged in 'theocratic warfare'

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Jesus confuses his apostles about baptism

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jesus's apostles were confused by some of his sayings.

they didn't understand the true sense of what jesus was trying to tell them about baptism.

"no one'', he said, ''would get the true meaning of this scripture until a modern day "organization" in the 21st century rises up and reveals the truth.".

TTWSYF

Rules and Regs - Yes, I was a bit cheeky, but not tongue in cheek.

John P- You are indeed correct that I have made a mistake. Clement of Rome was a disciple of Paul, not Peter. My bad. Other than that, I believe my claims are correct.

Have you really read their writings ? or have you just read 'Should you believe in the trinity' booklet and that was your source of their writings? Just asking because It's not a legend that those anti nicene fathers were directly taught by those apostles, historically speaking, Clement of Rome was the 3rd bishop of Rome after Peter, then Linus. it's a historical fact. Over 30k of written pages preserved from the early church that , of course, do not have the authority of the scriptures, but do have the authority of history.

I am currently reading Four Witnesses -The Early Church in Her Own Words by Rod Bennett

Check it out on Amazon. Hundreds of 5 star reviews, one 1 star review..... from a JW.

Check out another book The oldest book written of the early church 325ad History of the Church written by Eusebius Pamphilus

Eusibius writes that Clement is indeed one of the workers with Paul who 'labored side by side in the gospel' and 'whose names are in the book of life'

admittedly, I am a novice on my scholarly research. We are only as smart as our sources. I now know that out of the 40k or so Christian denominations, that 39,999 were started by men [and] or women. Only one was started by Christ Jesus and commissioned by Jesus to spread His gospel Mathew Ch 28

The Great Commission
…18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”…

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Jesus confuses his apostles about baptism

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jesus's apostles were confused by some of his sayings.

they didn't understand the true sense of what jesus was trying to tell them about baptism.

"no one'', he said, ''would get the true meaning of this scripture until a modern day "organization" in the 21st century rises up and reveals the truth.".

TTWSYF

lol, only in watchtower world are the apostles confused,

If you read the writings of Ignatius of Antioch [disciple of the apostle John] or Clement of Rome [disciple of the apostle Peter] you'd see that it's pretty clear that they were not confused about being baptized.

We are only as smart as our sources of information. The more sources of information, the better.

If the WTS is your only source, then , yes, you'd be confused.

The Truth Will Set You Free

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How Would You Help A JW. Recognize They Do Not Have The Truth?

by minimus in

jw
friends

every witness says they are “ in the truth”.

that expression implies that what they say is the “truth “.

how could you help a witness understand that they clearly do not have “the truth “?.

TTWSYF

Great question, Believe me, I wish I knew. I do know this though.

A person MUST be ready to hear the truth before they could possibly accept the truth.

A person needs to have their own questions first. What questions would have a believing JW question their faith in the WTS? They need doubt that what they took as rock solid has been shaken.

When ever I read about a former JW coming to their senses, i find different things shake different people.

I find that rarely is it a doctrinal problem. For example, there are so many biblical references that prove the WTS as a false prophet or at best, very very erroneous interpreters of the faith. To me, if that doesn't make one question, then what would? Then I read about some obscure, almost menial issue that makes one question. I am left scratching my head as to, "How did that little thing make them wake up?"

I think a person must be ready from their own experiences before they can recognize that they don't have the truth.

Just my humble opinion.

TTWSYF

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Does any other denomination change Doctrines as often as JW's?

by TerryWalstrom in

would i err in stating most religions and denominations have set doctrines?and yet, the watchtower's version/rendition of christianity is riven with contradictions which stem from changing predictions, policies, doctrines, and interpretations seemingly adrift from foundation or principle.wouldn't you think the constant upheaval, sifting, churn, and reorganization bespeaks whim, mood, uncertainty, and wilful speculation more than divine guidance?there's something endemically jittery and insecure about this religion which i would opine has more than a little to do with unstable mental affect than mere whimsy.what's your take on this?.

TTWSYF

With all of the false prophesies stated by the WTS, how could any other religion have more flip flops. No one has predicted the end of the world more than the WTS I thought, I may be wrong....please correct me if I am.

The Truth Will Set You Free

TTWSYF

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How Would You Help A JW. Recognize They Do Not Have The Truth?

by minimus in

jw
friends

every witness says they are “ in the truth”.

that expression implies that what they say is the “truth “.

how could you help a witness understand that they clearly do not have “the truth “?.

TTWSYF

Lying for the "Truth"

AKA "Theocratic Warfare" which allows the WTS to lie to their own... and everyone else too

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Crisis of Conscience is being delivered to my door today. I can't wait

by Fognomore in

since i have no one else to talk to about what i am going through, i just thought i would let this group know that i have .

crisis of conscience coming to my front door today.

i already know what i will say if my wife says something.

TTWSYF

CoC will not help anyone who isn't ready to hear the truth. You seem ready. Good luck and happy reading! Keep your chin up!

ttwsyf