Posts by TTWSYF

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If Samuelsson Is Right about Crucifixion All Lexica Need Revision

by Titus in

if samuelsson is right about crucifixion all lexica need revision.

last friday gunnar samuelsson successfylly defended his thesis "crucifixion in antiquity: an inquiry into the background of the new testament terminology of crucifixion" at gothenburg university (supervisor samuel byrskog).

the external examiner erkki koskenniemi professor of abo university, finland, was drastic in his opening when he said that "if gunnar samuelsson is right, then all lexica will need revision on this point.

TTWSYF

I'll just repost this from another thread

More evidence of Jesus dying on the cross can be found from the church fathers.

St. Irenaeus and St Justin Martyr {both considered as Christian leaders by WTS-Should you believe in the Trinity pg7}, both confirm that Jesus did not die on a torture stake.

Irenaeus said 'The very form of the cross, too, has 5 extremities, 2 in length, 2 in breadth, and 1 in the middle, on which [last] the personrests who is fixed by the nails' Against Heresies 2:4:24

Justin Martyr explains that Moses outstretched hands were actually a prefigurment of Christ on the cross and continues on cross construction 'For one beam is placed upright....and the other beam is fitted on to it' . Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 90, 91

The evidence of a cross is there to see.

respectfully,

dc

101

"Jesus did not die on the cross" (Gunnar Samuelsson)

by Titus in

"jesus did not die on the cross" .

a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.

gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.

TTWSYF

More evidence of Jesus dying on the cross can be found from the church fathers.

St. Irenaeus and St Justin Martyr {both considered as Christian leaders by WTS-Should you believe in the Trinity pg7}, both confirm that Jesus did not die on a torture stake.

Irenaeus said 'The very form of the cross, too, has 5 extremities, 2 in length, 2 in breadth, and 1 in the middle, on which [last] the personrests who is fixed by the nails' Against Heresies 2:4:24

Justin Martyr explains that Moses outstretched hands were actually a prefigurment of Christ on the cross and continues on cross construction 'For one beam is placed upright....and the other beam is fitted on to it' . Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 90, 91

The evidence of a cross is there to see.

respectfully,

dc

101

"Jesus did not die on the cross" (Gunnar Samuelsson)

by Titus in

"jesus did not die on the cross" .

a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.

gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.

TTWSYF

Can I repost my earlier reply from another thread?

According to the WTS - Stauros means an upright stake, or pale in Classical Greek.

The problem with this is simply that Classical Greek hadn't been spoken for centuries before Jesus Christ was born unto Mary.

In Koine Greek [the new testament is written in Koine Greek which is Hellenistic] stauros means an upright stake with a cross beam above it, or two intersecting beams of equal length, or a vertical, pointed stake.

If Christ was killed on just an upright stake the writers of the new testament would probably have used the word Skolops.

Further evidence against the torture stake idea can be found in John 20;25 when Jesus is discribed as having prints of the nails in his hands. There is no evidence at all that Christ was killed on a stake, but plenty of art depicting Jesus on a cross. Additional archaeological evidence to support the crucifixion has been unearthed in the city of Herculaneum where a whitish stuccoed panel shows the imprint of a large cross, probably metallic, that had been removed...Before it are the remains of a small wooden alter charred by the lava from the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in 79A.D. It seems almost impossible that the details of his death could have been lost so soon after his death.

respectfully,

dc

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If Samuelsson Is Right about Crucifixion All Lexica Need Revision

by Titus in

if samuelsson is right about crucifixion all lexica need revision.

last friday gunnar samuelsson successfylly defended his thesis "crucifixion in antiquity: an inquiry into the background of the new testament terminology of crucifixion" at gothenburg university (supervisor samuel byrskog).

the external examiner erkki koskenniemi professor of abo university, finland, was drastic in his opening when he said that "if gunnar samuelsson is right, then all lexica will need revision on this point.

TTWSYF

According to the WTS - Stauros means an upright stake, or pale in Classical Greek.

The problem with this is simply that Classical Greek hadn't been spoken for centuries before Jesus Christ was born unto Mary.

In Koine Greek [the new testament is written in Koine Greek which is Hellenistic] stauros means an upright stake with a cross beam above it, or two intersecting beams of equal length, or a vertical, pointed stake.

If Christ was killed on just an upright stake the writers of the new testament would probably have used the word Skolops.

Further evidence against the torture stake idea can be found in John 20;25 when Jesus is discribed as having prints of the nails in his hands. There is no evidence at all that Christ was killed on a stake, but plenty of art depicting Jesus on a cross. Additional archaeological evidence to support the crucifixion has been unearthed in the city of Herculaneum where a whitish stuccoed panel shows the imprint of a large cross, probably metallic, that had been removed...Before it are the remains of a small wooden alter charred by the lava from the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in 79A.D. It seems almost impossible that the details of his death could have been lost so soon after his death.

respectfully,

dc

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If Samuelsson Is Right about Crucifixion All Lexica Need Revision

by Titus in

if samuelsson is right about crucifixion all lexica need revision.

last friday gunnar samuelsson successfylly defended his thesis "crucifixion in antiquity: an inquiry into the background of the new testament terminology of crucifixion" at gothenburg university (supervisor samuel byrskog).

the external examiner erkki koskenniemi professor of abo university, finland, was drastic in his opening when he said that "if gunnar samuelsson is right, then all lexica will need revision on this point.

TTWSYF

The whole torture stake thing is a myth invented by ignorance. Look it up. The bible is not written in classical greek.

dc

107

which are the strong points of the WT?

by marcopolo in

jw
friends

can someone say me ?.

TTWSYF

Debator wrote-

The subject is about YHWH(well even these letters are a transliteration of the original Hebrew word for Jehovah since we cannot write the language)

The Simple question is... Can we use transliterated words for bible names in other languages?

My answer is no. Why, because no one ever called God by his name. The YHWH name was written because you never spoke the name of God. That's why is it unpronounceable that's why it has always been that way.

The one name you need to call on for salvation is the Savior-Jesus Christ

respectfully,

dc

107

which are the strong points of the WT?

by marcopolo in

jw
friends

can someone say me ?.

TTWSYF

uhmm, 5 pages later and I think I finally found a strong WT point.

They illicit very emotional responses from both, those who truely know scripture and those who think they know scripture.

Very entertaining and educational to boot.

Keep it up guys!

dc

107

which are the strong points of the WT?

by marcopolo in

jw
friends

can someone say me ?.

TTWSYF

Hey, choosing to be a pacifist is a wonderful thing and I would applaud anyone who can walk that path.

That said, I feel that the requirement that one mustn't join the military has absolutely no basis as the bible gives no indication that one should not join.

Some people choose not to drink [for numerous reasons,] and that's a wonderful thing, but to say that you mustn't drink to get salvation has no basis in scripture. The same can be said for the requirement of no military service.

dc

110

Lakers or Celtics?

by minimus in

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friends

it's tied, 1 to 1. i'm with the green team over lala boys.

my prediction it'll be celtics in best out of 7..

TTWSYF

Let's go celts!

I'm from Boston......and only watched 5 games all season....all of them post season games

guess I'm not the biggest fan

dc

107

which are the strong points of the WT?

by marcopolo in

jw
friends

can someone say me ?.

TTWSYF

I must respectively disagree with designs and jedimaster. The no war thing is unscriptural. The old testament is filled with battles being fought at God's command. The new testament has many examples of Jesus meeting soldiers and he never once instructed them to leave their occupation. As a matter of fact in Math 8;10, Jesus praises a centurian for his faith. Acts 10;22-48 speaks of Cornelius, another [Roman] centurian, as the first Gentile member of the Church. an officer, a rightous and God fearing man. In Luke 3;14 John the Baptist instructs those in the military 'not to harass anybody or accuse them falsely and to be satisfied with their provisions'. Where is this no wars thing? It also makes no sense to not defend your loved ones, your community or your country against unjust agression. Where would the world be? Much worse off I am sure. I need only to read scripture to confirm that. It also makes no sense to say that if everyone were a JW, there would be no wars. Only if everyone followed the WT laws on war would there be no war. The same can be said if everyone followed the 10 commandments, then there would be no war. Who wouldn't defend their home and family from thugs? Better question. Who wouldn't want to defend their home from thugs? dc