Posts by TTWSYF

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For Perry: There was no global flood, so stop looking for Noah's Ark

by BurnTheShips in

forget about noahs ark; there was no worldwide flood.

many people have contacted me about the recent claims by a group called noahs ark ministries international.1 the evangelical organization claims to have discovered noahs ark.2 i have responded on several occasions to these dubious claims on my blog.3 and still, this group has stood behind their claim,4 insisting that what they have found is real based largely on the belief that because the bible says the flood and the ark are historical, it must be so.

so, instead of addressing their spurious claims yet again, i thought i would approach the issue from a different angle: forget about noahs ark; there was no world-wide flood.. the worldwide flood described in genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier mesopotamian flood narratives.

TTWSYF

Fair enough Designs, I have to find your previous threads , go through them to get these answers. Could you please just elaborate on your comment about bishops/cardinals altering or tampering with scriptures. Just that one question please. If that is true, i would want to know as I am a catholic and want to know. I know that there has been 3 different councils through the early church years who had voted on the cannon accepted as the word of God. The 1st voted council was at the end of the 1st century, the 2nd was at the beginning of the 3rd century and the last was at the end of the 3rd century. The point is that the accepted bible cannon has not changed much at all since the 1st to the 3rd council. No books were removed that were preciously voted in, so where, when, and who made these changes that you post about?!

dc

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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

TTWSYF

Comrade Titus, I would not get mad at MADJW comments. I really enjoy his posts and yours too, but for different reasons. I like his humor and I like your candor. I know that you're still a JW, but you are not letting that cloud your vision totally. Yes, I can see that the skies are starting to clear for you. Wouldn't it be great if Mad could see a little better too?......He is here making up stuff and I'm not taking any of it seriously. As a matter of fact, no one takes what he says seriously. We are all just being entertained by a showman. Will he see the truth? I'm not holding my breath, but I am praying.

sincerely,

dc

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For Perry: There was no global flood, so stop looking for Noah's Ark

by BurnTheShips in

forget about noahs ark; there was no worldwide flood.

many people have contacted me about the recent claims by a group called noahs ark ministries international.1 the evangelical organization claims to have discovered noahs ark.2 i have responded on several occasions to these dubious claims on my blog.3 and still, this group has stood behind their claim,4 insisting that what they have found is real based largely on the belief that because the bible says the flood and the ark are historical, it must be so.

so, instead of addressing their spurious claims yet again, i thought i would approach the issue from a different angle: forget about noahs ark; there was no world-wide flood.. the worldwide flood described in genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier mesopotamian flood narratives.

TTWSYF

Designs, you certainly don;t speak as one who has an education from 'friends' in seminaries. If that were true, you would have left the WTS years earlier. When did you discover your 'truth' that the bible was tampered with. What proofs do you have? Why did you continue to go door to door with a Catholic book [the bible] and call Catholics apostates? If the bible is a catholic book, then it is not possible for catholics to be apostates,is it?

dc

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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

TTWSYF

Plankton, still denying the 'truth'?

Jesus' fleshly body was disposed of by Jehovah God- disolved into its constitutive elements or atoms, or perhaps it was disolved into gas or preserved somewhere as a memorial to God's love, perhaps to be exhibited to the people of the millennial age. After he rose, he used a body with wounds in order to convince Thomas of who he was. He was recreated by Jehovah God as an invisible spirit creature. Watchtower, sept 1,1953 518; Studies in scriptures 1889, 2:129; The harp of God 1928, 172-173; You can live forever, 145; From paradise lost to paradise gained, 1958, 144; Reasoning from scriptures 1985, 217-218.

hahahahahaahahhaahahahahaha. Scripture says something totally different!

NWT Luke chapt24 37 But because they were terrified, and had become frightened, they were imagining they beheld a spirit. 38 So he said to them: “Why are YOU troubled, and why is it doubts come up in YOUR hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; feel me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as YOU behold that I have.” 40 [[And as he said this he showed them his hands and his feet.]] 41 But while they were still not believing for sheer joy and were wondering, he said to them: “Do YOU have something there to eat?” 42 And they handed him a piece of broiled fish; 43 and he took it and ate it before their eyes.

dc

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For Perry: There was no global flood, so stop looking for Noah's Ark

by BurnTheShips in

forget about noahs ark; there was no worldwide flood.

many people have contacted me about the recent claims by a group called noahs ark ministries international.1 the evangelical organization claims to have discovered noahs ark.2 i have responded on several occasions to these dubious claims on my blog.3 and still, this group has stood behind their claim,4 insisting that what they have found is real based largely on the belief that because the bible says the flood and the ark are historical, it must be so.

so, instead of addressing their spurious claims yet again, i thought i would approach the issue from a different angle: forget about noahs ark; there was no world-wide flood.. the worldwide flood described in genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier mesopotamian flood narratives.

TTWSYF

Designs wrote

You must go one the assumption that the words of Matthew 24 were actually spoken by a young Jewish man in the 1st Century living in Palestine. Without the originals, and knowing the early Bishops edited, added texts and dialogue and snipped here and there you have a basic issue of belief versus academic and archeological criticisms. You believe the story contained in certain manuscripts for the 4th century on. We understand, we did to. Trying to promote and convert people to the Baptist mindset isn't a good idea. If you want to promote the Golden Rule you would find more in agreement.

I think it was Justin Martyr who talked about not getting hung up on the Filioque and miss doing good to your fellow humans each day.

If you really believed that, then you must be quite upset about going to peoples houses for years and preaching the good word, God's word only to find out that it was not God's word, it has been tampered with. If I believed that, I would not be promoting the bible to anyone and certainly would not be a Christian [or JW for that matter]. As far as Justin Martyr goes, I doubt that you have ever read any of his [3 complete works] as he unequivically states that Jesus is God. Sure, he does call Jesus 'King, and Priest, and God, and Lord, and angel and captian, and stone, and Son' Dialogue with Trypho the Jew pg34. In Greek angel is angelos which is accurately translated as messenger and Jesus could indeed be the messenger of his Father's will. He knew Jesus as God and his works reflect that truth.

respectfully,

dc

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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!

by theMadJW in

http://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.

TTWSYF

Oh Plankton, won't you ever learn?! I'll include some NWT scriptures after a Watchtower quote. ...please, no laughing out loud..

The man Jesus is dead forever. We deny that HE was raised in the flesh, and challenge any statement to that effect as being unscriptural. Studies in scriptures 1899 5;454, studies in scriptures 1917 7;57

The New World Translation reads

NWT John 2 vs19-21- 19 In answer Jesus said to them: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 Therefore the Jews said: “This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was talking about the temple of his body.

And we all know how accurate the New world translation is, right Plankton?

Ego Eimi funny = I AM funny

dc

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Vatican's New Rules: Ordaining Women a Crime = to Child Molestation

by Justitia Themis in

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http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/07/vatican_issues_new_sex_abuse_rules_still_too_weak_victims_say.html.

TTWSYF

Jwoods asked [and I'm sure others are also wondering] why priests and nuns are celibate. The answer is in scripture and is clear as day. In Paul's 1st letter to the Corinthians he proclaims that being married is good, but not marrying and giving your all to the Lord [like he does] is better.

1 Corinthians 32-34: “The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord, but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided.” respectfully, dc

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Vatican's New Rules: Ordaining Women a Crime = to Child Molestation

by Justitia Themis in

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http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/07/vatican_issues_new_sex_abuse_rules_still_too_weak_victims_say.html.

TTWSYF

Ordaining women is not what the Lord wanted. This was a mission of men. Very sorry, but women have other capacities in the church. During pentacost when the Holy Ghost decended upon the apostles and Mary [the mother of our Lord], the apostles then became Christ's priests. Mary did not and she was [is] the most blessed woman who ever lived, she is discribed as being full of grace and grace saves us from sin, yet she was not a priest. With that in mind, one can see why the Church does not and will not ordain any women.

respectfully,

dc

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Faithful slave has been around since the 1st Century?? So why DIDN'T Charles Russell join them?

by Witness 007 in

the watchtower claims there has been a "faithful slave" since jesus time till now so.....why did russell go independent and start his own group of bible students?

why did he claim the title for himself alone?.

TTWSYF

Look at Russell's history

Miracle wheat- Russell claimed that for $60 per bushel [which was very expensive!] you too could buy his miracle wheat which he claimed grew 5 times faster thatn regular wheat. Government experts testified that his wheat yeilded less than regular wheat. Russell was sued nd found guilty and forced to return all the money. The Brooklyn Daily Eagle [jan 27, 1913 and Nov 1, 1916]

Lies in Studies in Scripture about his divorce. After 17 years of marriage the courts awarded Maria Frances Ackley a divorce finding Russell at fault. Russell said it was about management of his journal [Charles Taze Russell, Studies in Scripture, 1925-1927 1:1-His wife stated that the grounds for divorce included 'his conceit, egotism, domination, and improper conduct in relation to other women' author Bruce M. Metzger wrote. Russell appealled the divorce 5x, all rejected.

Russells claims of higher learning were also suspect as he claimed to know Hebrew, Greek and Latin. Under oath in the High Court of Ontario [Russell vs Ross mar 17, 1913] he was force to admit that he was not familiar with those languages. He later admitted that he was never ordained after first stating that he was. He later admitted that he had only 7 years of school and dropped out at the age of 14 years old.

It was an Adventist named Nelson Barbour who first convinced Russell that Jesus had returned [invisibly] in 1874. Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose 1959 , pg 18. Later publications confirmed this belief with titles like Zion's Watchtower and Herold of Christ's presence.

The Watchtower itself has been distancing itself from Russell's teachings as is proved in the Awake [May 8, 1951 pg 26] "Who is preaching the teachings of Russell? Certainly not the Jehovah's Witnesses! The Watchtower Dec 1, 1916 "like the disciples of old our own hearts burned within us as we listened to his clear and beautiful unfolding of the word of God. We thus learned that we were sitting at the feet of God, and also the greatest Bible scholar since the day of the apostles" High praise indeed for such a man....

powerful stuff, respectfully,

dc

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Faithful slave has been around since the 1st Century?? So why DIDN'T Charles Russell join them?

by Witness 007 in

the watchtower claims there has been a "faithful slave" since jesus time till now so.....why did russell go independent and start his own group of bible students?

why did he claim the title for himself alone?.

TTWSYF

It is interesting to note that many JWs are unaware that Charles Russell had ever declared himself the 7th angel of Revelation.

According to author Jason Evert, Charles Russell further declared that the other 6 angels were the apostles Paul and John, the heretic Arius [condemned by the 1st Ecumenical council at Nicaea for denying the divinity of Christ], Peter Waldo [of the gnostic Waldensian sect], John Wycliff and Martin Luther. History has already proved many of his beliefs to be false.

respectfully,

dc