Posts by TTWSYF

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How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

by slimboyfat in

we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

TTWSYF

Some of my observations include

1] Overwhelming commitments by the org itself prevent some from having the time to research truth. And may make folks too tired to research.

2]Total and overwhelming love bombing about the org lets others feel ok about guilting anyone who has the inclination to research the truth.

3]And this is the most important in my mind, the [liminal and subliminal] teaching or training of shutting down mentally whenever any negative thought about the org enters the mind.

This happens to everyone on the org, and simple knowing the truth about the truth [TTATT] is not enough. You must remove observation 3 before you can acknowledge the truth.

My elder brother [like many posters] would say that Jesus quote "' you know a tree by its fruit' and the JWs are the only ones going door to door restoring the true name of God"...you all know the line, But when I told him that going door to door was a work and not a fruit he could only reply over and over that "those are fruits, those are fruits."

No dear brother, those are not fruits and you need to address observation #3 before acknowledging that works are not fruits because then, very quickly, you would see that there are no fruits and you never would have joined or been baptized in the org or anything else org related.

TTWSYF

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JW claims of having the most accurate translation of bible

by StarTrekAngel in

is is true at all?

if so, are there any independent sources who have asserted this claim?

who did the translation?.

TTWSYF

NWT is not accepted as a legit translation by any scholastic organization.

The NWT is a Watchtower version of the holy bible. It is not a translation as much as it is a version.

Some say that all bibles are biased, but the truth is that the bible is a catholic book. They confirmed what was to be included and excluded. It's their book and if you want to know about that book, you should go to the source as JWs have only 150 years of bible experience and the church that created it has 1700-1800 years of keeping and maintaining the scriptures.

Sorry if you don;t like the truth..... lol

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Jesus (if he exists) has a heart of stone - a saga about the hurt of children in his church.

by fulltimestudent in

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jesus is supposed to care for little children.

mark 10 is often quoted to illustrate his concern.. mark 10:13-16niv.

the little children and jesus13 people were bringing little children to jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them.

TTWSYF

Well, I like eggs. I like fried eggs, scrabbled eggs, poached eggs, french toast and pancakes too

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The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures argues for more than one GOD

by smiddy in

gen.1:26 "and god went on to say "let us make man in our image according to our likeness.....etc,etc,.. the key words here are "us" and " our" ,he is including other life forms just like him in using plurals.. he did not say " i" will make man in "my" image ,using the singular vernacular.

the same is also noted in gen 3:22 "and jehovah god went on to say " here the man has become like one of " us".

again he is using the plural and not the singlar language clearly showing their were other life forms on an equal footing to him.. also satan via the serpent also knew the difference between good and bad before he tempted eve , showing he was on a par with jehovah god in knowing that fact along with the other gods in heaven.. another scripture that comes to mind is 1 cor.8:5 "........just as their are many gods and many lords,,,".

TTWSYF

The whole notion of the Jewish concept of One God was because they were surrounded by polytheist. I don't believe that the True God had 70 sons and was married. That was/is not what God is in reality. Of course, just my opinion.

One thing that got me about the trinity concept was the 'One God' thing, that is proclaimed over and over again in the old testament. How can there be a trinity when the OT totally states One God? How does God say "let US make man in OUR image" and still be One God?

After a little research, I found something very interesting.

In Hebrew there are 2 words for ONE. YACHID & ECHAD. These 2 words have different meanings.

SO there is the ONE that we all recognize.' I'll have ONE of those please'

Then there is the other word for one that indicates a type of plurality. Like 'Man and woman became One flesh', Or 'day and night became One day'

When the bible states that God is One, it is ALWAYS with the plural One.So even the OT proclaims that there is more to God than ONE being.

Check for yourself, I didn't make it up.

The Truth WIll Set You Free

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Why do so many JW's argue that they do not believe what they clearly do?

by Crabby in

i ask a question recently, which was why do jw's not salute the flag, and i ask what page of the bible directs this practice.. all i got back was that i do not know what i am talking about and that they are allowed to do this, when i dropped 40000 google links proving that they do not salute the flag they just deleted it as though my proof could not exist.

seriously this is common knowledge, my neighbor just put up a flag to keep the guy across the street away.

so are there jw's who have no clue what they believe, or should believe?

TTWSYF

All people in cults are always intellectually dishonest. They have to be- because reason, history and commonsense always dissolves their reasoning and logic.

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Other Religions use the Name JEHOVAH too

by UnDisfellowshipped in

are jehovah's witnesses really the only religion that promotes and preaches the name of jehovah?.

jw's are always claiming that they are the only religion that preaches and uses the name jehovah, and that is why only they will be saved.

for example, look at this quote from the watchtower:.

TTWSYF

What I do not understand is that the WTS teaches that using the name JEHOVAH and going door to door are actual fruits that prove their authority.

Isn't that just effin ridiculous?

If anything, it is only works, AND it's works that produce no fruits what so ever.

Then to top it off, they dump on other faiths that have actually given fruits to the world..

How does anyone fall for this org???

Just asking

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Prince's Philanthropic Legacy: Love 4 One Another

by Zaccheus in

the unreasonable jw standard of avoiding support for charities is an explanation given in this article on the website of glasspockets, an advocacy group for transparency in non-profit groups, for the anonymity of philanthropic ventures prince undertook in the years before his death.. http://blog.glasspockets.org/2016/05/moy-prince-philanthropy-11052016.html.

even with all of the press attention, much remains unknown about prince’s philanthropy.

as a jehovah’s witness, prince may have felt compelled to keep his giving private.

TTWSYF

Why would Prince be so generous with his wealth when we all know that charity is considered by the WTS as painting rooms of the titanic?

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Fooled me once--twice---ain't gonna happen thrice

by eyeuse2badub in

fooled me once---shame on you!

fooled me twice---shame on me!

fooled me thrice---ain’t gonna ever happen!.

TTWSYF

Happy anniversary to you and your wife!. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger they say..

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Comparing the Septuagint to the Masoretic Text: Genealogies in Genesis 5

by ILoveTTATT2 in

i started a thread comparing the septuagint to the masoretic text.it is here:https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5665236409384960/comparing-septuagint-masoretic-textfor those who do not know what the septuagint and the masoretic text are, here's an introduction on wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/septuagint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/masoretic_text.

i think that, more than anything else, the fact that the septuagint and the masoretic text are so different, is what made me stop believing in the bible.. and more than anything else, the most striking differences between the septuagint and the masoretic text have to be the genealogies of genesis 5.. the genealogies of genesis 5 are crucial to the jehovah's witnesses, the adventists, and many other religions that place an emphasis on time prophecy.why is that?because they try to make out when the "end of the world" happens based on the 6000 years of human existence, they have to use genesis 5. and, if the numbers in genesis 5 in the bible most people in the western world use are wrong, then the time to creation is wrong, and then the "end of the world date" is wrong.so, what are the differences?the account tells the ages in this format:x person lived for y years.

TTWSYF

I think that it is worth mentioning that the Septuagint is a greek translation of the hebrew scriptures and words don't always line up when making translations. These words of Hebrew get translated to English would of course be different than Hebrew to Greek to English.

For example, there are two words for ONE in Hebrew and they have different meanings.

Only one word for ONE in english and greek. Tough to translate that to everyones' satisfaction I would think

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Poor Sisters

by Darryl in

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friends

i really felt for you sisters i mean i really did.

when you showed up at the sunday meeting and found out the subject of the talk was going to be -and i can't quite remember the exact wording- but something to the effect of marriage and headship, or honoring and obeying your husband, or something like that how many of you wanted to jump right back in your car and head home.

i mean 45 straight minutes of beating down you poor ladies and telling you that you are not worthy of making one decision, taking the lead in anything, don't question the man be obedient and keep quiet.

TTWSYF

When I attended my nephews {JW} wedding a while ago, the speaker spoke of submission of the wife to the husband and reiterated that point over and over again, but he never once mentioned how the husband is supposed to love his wife, like Christ loved his church. Christ gave his life for his church and that's what a husband is to do for his wife.

typical WTS twisting of the truth