I have always found it interesting that people have recounted conversations or circumstances in great detail while they were dead somewhere else. Also that the vast majority of these NDE are Christian in nature
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this guy studied what happens with the human end of life phenomena and offers some interesting insights.
talks about alternate realities, and cultural effects on ones experience.
i think some might enjoy the way the whole matter is discussed.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78sktuk8zd4.
I have always found it interesting that people have recounted conversations or circumstances in great detail while they were dead somewhere else. Also that the vast majority of these NDE are Christian in nature
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one of the heresies of the wt is denying the divinity of christ.
during this "memorial season" they say that jehovah (god the father?
) resurrected jesus.
If you please Ratt,
What is your source of information? Not to sound snotty, but we are all only as smart as our sources of information. If your only source is the WTS, then you are quite possibly misinformed
And no one is claiming that Jesus raised himself from the dead... because he was dead. Thus someone else would need to raise him. If he could raise himself he would not be dead.
so recently i attended a jw funeral.
i've been awake and faded for a bit now and so i already have realized the strangeness that is a jw funeral/memorial talk because its basically just a sales pitch to those attending that are non jws using a twist on the christian resurrection hope and barely speaks about the departed.
here's the thing that i noticed the that got me wondering, the pitch, at least at this talk, is given under the guise that it is what the fallen person wanted to be spoken at the funeral and as such its all about the "secondary" "great crowds" class hope.. so my question is had anybody ever attended the funeral talk for someone who claimed to be in the 144,000???.
Did they actually say the deceased wanted them to say that kind of stuff at the funeral, or did they just want you to make that assumption? Either way it's in horrible taste. A Baptist did that at my great grandmother's funeral and it pissed me off.
I've attended more than one JW wedding and funeral. Each time I attend, I get pissed too.
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the jehovah's witnesses believe that only the father is lord god, however by searching the scriptures we can identify that there are more than one person in the godhead, and the lord jesus as well as the holy spirit are lord.. for those who are interested in learning, feel free to watch this new video..
Cofty says
My challenge remains. Please describe the trinity simply in your own words, without self-contradiction and without resorting to esoteric theological terms.
My reply was
God, the Father is an awesome being. Too awesome for comprehension. He [although, not a male or female, but is a fatherly person] is so awesome that when he speaks, his word/s are alive. He is God and he spoke us into existence. His words are alive. His word is Jesus and he is not only the word of God in law, he is also the spirit of God's law. That's how awesome that God the Father is. Because Jesus is God's word [in spirit], Jesus has all of the authority of God the Father. He is like the hand of God. Now because God loves his word, which is alive. He loves his word with so much love that his LOVE is alive. That;s how awesome God is, that not only is his word alive, but his love is alive also. To me, his love is the Holy spirit. Not an active force, but true to the scriptures, showing all the attributes of a coherent being.
Was his challenge answered? I think 'yes'
What say you?
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one of the heresies of the wt is denying the divinity of christ.
during this "memorial season" they say that jehovah (god the father?
) resurrected jesus.
We are all only as smart as our sources.
one of the heresies of the wt is denying the divinity of christ.
during this "memorial season" they say that jehovah (god the father?
) resurrected jesus.
Sorry, I posted this on the wrong topic earlier.
God the Trinity rose Jesus from the dead according to the bible
In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead” (see also Romans 8:11 and 2 Corinthians 4:14). Romans 1:4 (and possibly 1 Peter 3:18) seems to say that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18).
“God has raised . . . Jesus to life” (Acts 2:32). The Father is God, and the Father raised His Son to life on the third day after the crucifixion (Romans 6:4; 2 Corinthians 13:4). The Spirit is also God, and the Spirit had a part in raising Jesus from the dead. The Son is also God, and the Son, too, was responsible for His own resurrection.
How can a dead man resurrect himself? Jesus was more than a man who died; He was the eternal Son of God incarnate. Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17–18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and raise it up again.
Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He did not say, “My Father is the resurrection.” He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; life resides with Jesus, and He has authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death.
Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinitywere involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1–2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
So I guess the bible confirms the belief that God is a trinity. Go figure that one out.
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it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.
they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.
they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].
God the Trinity rose Jesus from the dead according to the bible
In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead” (see also Romans 8:11 and 2 Corinthians 4:14). Romans 1:4 (and possibly 1 Peter 3:18) seems to say that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead (Romans 8:11 clearly says that God will resurrect believers “through His Spirit”). And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18).
“God has raised . . . Jesus to life” (Acts 2:32). The Father is God, and the Father raised His Son to life on the third day after the crucifixion (Romans 6:4; 2 Corinthians 13:4). The Spirit is also God, and the Spirit had a part in raising Jesus from the dead. The Son is also God, and the Son, too, was responsible for His own resurrection.
How can a dead man resurrect himself? Jesus was more than a man who died; He was the eternal Son of God incarnate. Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17–18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and raise it up again.
Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He did not say, “My Father is the resurrection.” He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; life resides with Jesus, and He has authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death.
Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, and by that we mean all three Persons of the Trinity were involved. All three Persons of the Trinity participated in creation (1 Corinthians 8:6; Genesis 1:1–2). All three are involved in salvation (John 3:6, 16). And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
So I guess the bible confirms the belief that God is a trinity. Go figure that one out.
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it really is common sense, but nobody here seems to recognize or acknowledge this blatant and obvious truth.. the holy bible is the result of the catholic liturgy.
they used these scriptures in their religious practices and confirmed which books would and would not be part of their cannon.
they picked, preserved and promoted these books and gave 'the word of god' to the world.. i know that pisses off some folks, but it is the truth [not the 'truth'tm].
Mary's role is also in the tradition of a Jewish queen mother. The queen was the king's mother, not the king's spouse. Jewish kings would take council from their mothers and subjects would from time to time appeal to the queen mother for favor from the king. Mary is the most blessed woman according to the bible.
one of the heresies of the wt is denying the divinity of christ.
during this "memorial season" they say that jehovah (god the father?
) resurrected jesus.
Can't believe that all these biblical scholars that the WTS produces cannot/will not reply to this very easy biblical question. They hate the real truth in my mind.
God the Father rose Jesus from the dead AND Jesus rose from the dead from his own accord, Bible says both. He did it by himself and he did it from the authority of God the Father.
Such an important question. What is truth? Not the WTS. that's for sure
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the jehovah's witnesses believe that only the father is lord god, however by searching the scriptures we can identify that there are more than one person in the godhead, and the lord jesus as well as the holy spirit are lord.. for those who are interested in learning, feel free to watch this new video..
My point being that in the scriptures, the Holy Ghost/Spirit has the attributes of a person and not just a force as promoted by the WTS. Described as 'he' who can mourn, grieve, love, get angry, etc. Things that a being does, not an inanimate force.
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