... and from there down, it's just the fear of being ostracized ?
Posts by leec
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So what's in it for the WTS?
by leec ini'm still just trying to understand ..... what is the real essence of why the leaders at the very core of this religion do what they do?
i assume they are all in the 144k, so i get that.
but i mean ... that can't be the entire motivation for all this misery.
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Confused about the current generation teaching? Get your Watchtower Generation chart
by truthseeker inenjoy!.
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http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4126/generationh.jpg.
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leec
Whatever it is ... it's not there anymore. Does anyone have a copy they can host or something?
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So what's in it for the WTS?
by leec ini'm still just trying to understand ..... what is the real essence of why the leaders at the very core of this religion do what they do?
i assume they are all in the 144k, so i get that.
but i mean ... that can't be the entire motivation for all this misery.
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leec
I'm still just trying to understand ....
What is the real essence of why the leaders at the very core of this religion do what they do? What are they getting? I assume they are all in the 144k, so I get that. But I mean ... that can't be the entire motivation for ALL THIS MISERY. Are there Ferrarris and prostitutes and jewel-encrusted bobbles somewhere down the line ... is it just another way to get the power trip that the members of the board of any huge corporation get? Are there underground catacombs? What?
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List of things to do
by doublelife inwhen i was 23 i made a list of things to do before i turn 30. then i thought, "what's the rush?
when the new system gets here i'll be able to do whatever i want.
" so i never paid attention to the list and now i no longer have it.
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leec
turns out that buying GS cookies is a matter of Personal Choice
I'm just trying to imagine this being read by a normal ('worldy') person ....
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Faith, what do you make of this?
by God_Delusion inhi guy's & gal's,.
i read this article on jehovah's witness blog and it really got me thinking, what really is faith?
i do believe that the term "faith", can be used in different contexts.
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leec
The word faith, without any special adornment, simply means having a firm expectation. I doesn't require any special effort. If you think a pond is frozen and you start to walk out on it confidently and quickly, you have faith that, under each step you take, the ice is firm and will hold you up. If you suddenly break though, you are surprised because your faith has been contradicted ... and will be less in conviction next time.
The issue with faith in the Christian sense of the word is that it necessitates an a priori confident expectation ... that, never having seen ice before, you believe that it will hold up under your weight.
One interesting point here is that, in the case of the example, an icy pond, one might reasonably suggest that someone who's never seen ice might assume that it will be strong without knowing anything about it ... which may be construed as an act of ignorant carelessness if the ice is thin. But in order to make this supposition one must consider the fact that he knows from experience or learning that ice sometimes can be thin. But in the case of religious faith we know nothing at all either way, so it's equally reasonable or unreasonable to to have faith in these mysteries. If one is trying to pursue faith from an intellectual point of view, the only correct answer is that either insisting on having faith or refusing to have faith are equally valid.
I have faith, because somewhere down the line of reasoning ... whether it's religion, science, or imagination, there is a point where the ability to understand overpowers the finite powers of the (very feeble and fallible) human mind.
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The Assembly Experiences - Standard Format
by sd-7 inmatthew 6:1: "take good care not to practice your righteousness in front of men in order to be observed by them; otherwise you will have no reward with your father who is in the heavens.".
"now we'd like to call to the platform brother so-and-so, a [let's face it, capital letters should be used] regular pioneer and elder in the blah-blah-blah congregation.
brother so-and-so, what helped you to put kingdom interests first?".
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leec
I tried ... but I could not watch that past about halfway through.
And the MC guy's voice just reminds me too much of the MC voice on the Intro track of 3 Feet High & Rising
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Current view of Russell's writing?
by leec infor those who don't know me, i am not knowledgeable about jw, but have been invovled with someone who is.
can someone here who knows please tell me what jws currently believe about these passages.
i'm just wondering how they rationalize the current state of jw/wt vis-a-vis the following.
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leec
The first part of the quote is exactly the reason I was turned off by the RC church in which I was raised. I mean, there not only do you receive the gospel through human priests, not only do you confess your 'sins to human priests, but up until the middle of the 20th century the Bible was 'taught' in a Sunday mass chanted in Latin ... you know, for extra clarity and understanding.
When I was tiny my mother took me to church in a small RC monestary where the "mass" was said all in Latin and there were nuns behind iron prison bars. No kidding. Maybe that's one reason I am such a shining example of mental health.
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Current view of Russell's writing?
by leec infor those who don't know me, i am not knowledgeable about jw, but have been invovled with someone who is.
can someone here who knows please tell me what jws currently believe about these passages.
i'm just wondering how they rationalize the current state of jw/wt vis-a-vis the following.
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leec
For those who don't know me, I am not knowledgeable about JW, but have been invovled with someone who is. Can someone here who knows please tell me what JWs currently believe about these passages. I'm just wondering how they rationalize the current state of JW/WT vis-a-vis the following
C. T. Russell was against organizing his own religion, or at least he said so (see The Watchtower, 1895 p.216; also 1894 p.384 & 1893 p.266). He also noted
"The endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects, culminated in the great apostasy and the development of the great papal system, and thereby the gospel, the one faith that Paul and the other apostles set forth, was lost - buried under the mass of uninspired decrees of popes and councils. The unity of the early church, based upon the simple gospel and bound only by love, gave place to the bondage of the church of Rome...Each new reform movement (like Protestantism) has made the failure of attempting to make a creed just large enough for its prime movers." --WT, Sep. 1893, p. 1572
On why organizations don't work -
"...we have pointed out continually the tendency of Christian people toward union, showing, too, that such a union is predicted in scripture; but that its results, while designed to be good, will really be bad; and this because it will be a mechanical union instead of a heart unity."--WT, Mar 1893, p. 1504
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Well that didn't take long. Christian blowhard blames earthquake on Haitians' "pact with Devil"
by sir82 innew york (cbs) pat robertson, the american christian televangelist and host of "the 700 club," said that haitians need to have a "great turning to god" while he was reporting on the devastating 7.0 earthquake that shook the island nation the most powerful to hit the country in a century.
as haitian prime minister jean-max bellerive said "well over" 100,000 people may have died in the national disaster, robertson took to the airwaves wednesday on his show and said that the country has been "cursed by one thing after another" since they "swore a pact to the devil.
"something happened a long time ago in haiti and people might not want to talk about," robertson said tuesday.
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leec
"I was reading a jw db on this and they are all praying for only jws and people who "study" with them.......no concern for any non-jws...but that's not new."
I've been sitting here for over 5 minutes trying to express my reaction to this. I still can't find the words -- evil, cold, sad.
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I've just lost a Loved one
by AwSnap inthe thing that sucks is that they are very much alive & we are literally less than five miles apart from each other everyday.
i had a long talk with one of my siblings today.
i've been getting a really weird vibe lately...today it was confirmed that i will be shunned from here on out from them.
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leec
I don't really understand the point of shunning. It can't be about preserving the purity of the fellowship (or whatever the correct word is), because the shunned person is still part of it, aren't they?
Is it just to be mean then, like when someone is pouting and they give you "the silent treatment" to make you feel bad? If they wanted to fix whatever the problem was, I would think they would do the opposite of shunning - they would surround you and pay a lot of attention and try to get you back to being the way they would like you to be.
I honestly don't get it. What am I missing?