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  metal health problems in the organisation

  by looloo in

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  for "the happiest people on earth" i found so many folk in the cong had depression or suffered with "nerves and axiety" there was one lad who was due to go and "work" in bethel and changed his mind at the last minute and spent nearly all his time on his computer in his bedroom from then on (he must of been on this site !he apparently "went schitsophrenic(dont know how to spell it sorry ) as did his sister and his poor mum was probably the most dedicated dub in the cong but was considered as a bit "bonkers" by all in the cong .

  there were 3 elders i know of who had depression and many rank and file , i must admit it did make me question how "happy "being a dub would make me when i was a study and voiced my concerns i was told satan was trying to get them out the truth so they were depressesed or some rubbish like that , but i was also told that people who leave the truth are depressed because they dont have the truth !

  you cant have it both ways !

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  RosePetal

  Hi looloo

  I have sent you a PM.
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  Did you get hit with the "There is nothing better out there" argument?

  by lepermessiah in

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  i wish i had a dollar for everytime i heard that lately.. "your concerns are very valid, but there is nothing else out there".

  "well, its not perfect - but i'm telling you, there is nothing else out there".

  "yes, the organization is full of problems, but you have to understand - there is nothing else out there".

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  Hi leppermessiah Yes my parents used it on me all my life then like olyn moyles ghost I used it on myself and then found myself doing it to my hubby I think we were brainwashed into all using it on each other. All other christian denominations are so demonised as chalam said you wouldn't dare go and try out another church I had been invited by some of my calls who often invited me in to go to their church but i wouldn't have dared you could be disfellowshipped.
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  metal health problems in the organisation

  by looloo in

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  for "the happiest people on earth" i found so many folk in the cong had depression or suffered with "nerves and axiety" there was one lad who was due to go and "work" in bethel and changed his mind at the last minute and spent nearly all his time on his computer in his bedroom from then on (he must of been on this site !he apparently "went schitsophrenic(dont know how to spell it sorry ) as did his sister and his poor mum was probably the most dedicated dub in the cong but was considered as a bit "bonkers" by all in the cong .

  there were 3 elders i know of who had depression and many rank and file , i must admit it did make me question how "happy "being a dub would make me when i was a study and voiced my concerns i was told satan was trying to get them out the truth so they were depressesed or some rubbish like that , but i was also told that people who leave the truth are depressed because they dont have the truth !

  you cant have it both ways !

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  looloo I am sorry to hear of what you went through especialy with your daughter thats terrible. It was actually reading stories like yours made me realise that there were others going through these things in the org. worldwide and that my experience pailed into nothing in comparison. I was shocked I read some on Yuku. I have sat here and cried over some of them. Your dad was encouraging you not to go back but born ins with JW parents put guilt on. No matter how awful it was and wether from my dad or the congregation my mum would say it is Jehovah your serving let yourself be wronged. They are just imperfect men. Thats why I stuck it out for so long. How are you now?

  have you finaly broken free in your mind? Does confedence get better? I would also ask this of anybody as my confidence is still very poor although I have impoved because I did go to college eventually.
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  metal health problems in the organisation

  by looloo in

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  for "the happiest people on earth" i found so many folk in the cong had depression or suffered with "nerves and axiety" there was one lad who was due to go and "work" in bethel and changed his mind at the last minute and spent nearly all his time on his computer in his bedroom from then on (he must of been on this site !he apparently "went schitsophrenic(dont know how to spell it sorry ) as did his sister and his poor mum was probably the most dedicated dub in the cong but was considered as a bit "bonkers" by all in the cong .

  there were 3 elders i know of who had depression and many rank and file , i must admit it did make me question how "happy "being a dub would make me when i was a study and voiced my concerns i was told satan was trying to get them out the truth so they were depressesed or some rubbish like that , but i was also told that people who leave the truth are depressed because they dont have the truth !

  you cant have it both ways !

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  Hi looloo My hubby has had O.C.D. since he was in his teens he was not a born in but being a JW certainly increased the stress and lead to depression through the years. The elders used to tell him it was lack of faith which made me so angry. I could see it had nothing to do with lack of faith what nonsense. This just put more pressure on us as a family. I suffered with clinical depression I was a born in and this was due to a build up of years of having horrible family problems growing up while being in the cult that expects so much of you and nothing is ever good enough. When I was going through some of my worst times and couldn't keep up so called brothers and sisters from our hall would cross over the street and ignore me. When I did get to meetings which was a struggle they would ignore me and just afew of the brothers and sisters who were struggling themselves would speak to me. Most of the elders and their wives treated me like I was a bit of dirt under their shoe. I have so many things to tell that make me angry I'll leave for onother time. I found that whenever my health improved i would go mad and overdo things try and pioneer and drive hubby mad going overboard just so they would speak to me. Through the years I saw others going through similar experiences. You are always told it is lack of faith and to get on the work more. I remember I was in my twenties during the time I had clinical depression I hadn't managed to go in the service for six months I was so poorly I couldn't eat very much and I was terrified inside of everything it is difficult to explain but going out or to the shop was a nightmare I didn't want to talk to poeple during this time no one came to see us. finaly and elder came round and coldly informed me I had not reported for six months and I was no longer classed as a member of the congregation. I tried to explain that I was poorly and could not cope he said you do not have enough faith you must get to meetings more and go on the service. It was like talking to a brick wall and I just thought where is all this love the org. is supposed to have I cannot see it. I used to cry till my heart broke. it took a while to eventualy get help from doctors and thats another story why.
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  Do you prefer to sit on the pew in a church or on the regular Kingdom Hall seat?

  by asilentone in

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  i hate to sit on the pew.

  i prefer to sit on the regular kingdom hall seat.

  do you think it might be a good subtle reason for some people to convert their religion to jw?

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  The church I am going to has very comfortable chairs and there is tea and coffee refreshments afterwards, they also provided a two course meal after the alpha course and cake and goodies after other bible discusions at the church. And yeah I don't have to wear a dress.
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  Is it my imagination or is there more Apostasy about?

  by freddo in

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  here in the uk over the last couple of years i hear more about people leaving/being removed due to apostasy?

  do you think this is true or is it because my radar is up and listening?.

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  Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees hubby and I are two more.
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  CO talk: "Jehovah's Witnesses killed Jesus"

  by sd-7 in

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  mentioned in his talk last week that the jews, who had the name "jehovah's witnesses" applied to them, killed jesus.

  i found that a particularly revealing admission, simply from the way he said it.

  "jehovah's witnesses killed jesus," he said.. he went on to explain that the coveted title of "jehovah's witnesses" was taken from the jews.

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  RosePetal

  Hi sd7 I can't cut and paste yet but those last two paragraphs were spot on.
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  The term "Organization" and its implications

  by sd-7 in

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  jehovah's witnesses commonly use the term "jehovah's organization".

  anyone who questions doctrinal points is one who "questions the organization".

  the term, as any informed jw would know, was born in the era of j.f.

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  The org. is a pyramid scheme like amway.

  RosePetal
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  Have you had Dreams Lately ? Do you get Meanings from your Dreams?

  by flipper in

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  being very interested in psychology i read a book as a teenager and re-read it last year called " gestalt therapy verbatim " by frederick perls m.d.

  ph, d. .

  it deals with dreamwork therapy in which he conducted seminars helping people to re-connect with subconscious parts of themselves by recounting their dreams .

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  RosePetal

  Hi Flipper this is Mr Bumble RosePetals hubby here. As you probably know sigmund Freud proposed that dreams arise out of our inner conflict between unconscious desires and prohibitions against acting out these desires which we learn from society. Dreams are symbolic or metaphors for out true underlying feelings as the theory goes. I don't put a lot of stock in sigmund Freuds ideas but lets have a go. As an example I had a dream the other night that I was eating a large marshmellow and when i woke my pillow was gone. ha ha in that reconning I need to change my diet. anyway lets have a go at yours. The fast food at the k/hall represents the Junk spiritual food we used to get from the GB the speaker giving the talk is the same thing. The gistapo like elders escorting the young man to the rest room is a reflection of yourself because of the critisism you have of the org. and represents the concern you have for others on this board and in the org. who mistreated. Your fathers response indicates your inner desire those close to you must feel the way you do. The shootest represents your subconscious self wanting to expose the GB and thier representatives for denying your right for Gods grace without working for your salvation. If this sounds crazy it probably is.

  Kind regards Mr.Bumble
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  Newly Exiting JW's - WT Society's Motive was to Instill Fear & Doubt in You

  by flipper in

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  i have seen this more and more the longer i've been out of the witnesses ( over 6 years ) .

  one of the main objectives of the wt society was to make us have a fear of leaving the witnesses and doubt ourselves so much due to being told we were imperfect and sinful.

  so then that produced guilt.

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  RosePetal

  hi flipper this is RosePetals hubby here. I will be introducing myself to everybody in the next week I would like to be known as Mr.Bumble. I do apologize if anyone else has that name if so I will change it. I read your comment and it struck a note with me it seems to me that most of us fall into that catagory as described when we are in the org. it is first of all total submission to the org. second generalised aggression to all enemies of that org. thirdly blind adherence to its doctrine andits policies and many become absolutes, bullies, dogmatists and zealots. They are uncritical of all they stand for but secretly hold inconsistant contradictory ideas. They seem to be open to criticism but by their actions hold to double standards and to self-righteousness are lacking humility and are not self critical. This is only a generalised trait but most of us at one time in the org. fell into some of those catagories. To be fair I am sure general society will agree that these traits are found in most of us at one time or another and are not unique to religious cults. I will be introducing myself properly in due course and look forward to sharing my experiences with all you good people.

  Kind regards Mr.Bumble