Cheers ziddinia.. thanks for the thoughts.. but I did not ask that question. I know you are psychic but... LOL All the best, hope the mountain weather is treating you kindly. Regards, Podobear.
Podobear
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
Yup, precisely Room125... also read the article written on March 10, 2010 in the Dominican Today (www.dominicatoday.com) about the JW who shielded a student she was teaching and literally saved her life and forfeited her own.
The article outlines the active JW relief programme very well too. Just goes to show when adversity strikes, that good hearts and love transcend perceived religious protocols. Coffeevanchick (above) I believe is now a confirmed Atheist.
It is great to be able to express opinions here without censor.. thank you.
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
Spoken like the gay drunken philanderer that you are JudgeRutherford... you fail to see people just an Organisation... which is why most of us left your Printing and Publishing corporation. I have no desire to go back to my local Kingdom Hall until I see change...THEN, I willingly go back and associate with the good people I loved.
Mock as much as you want... the VAST majority of JW's do what they are doing, did what they did... out of good motive. When they chuck out the marketing and sales pitches.. I will certainly reconsider.
Moshe, I am criticizing the broad strokes.. that is all. And, I agree, conscience matters should be just that. Would you lampoon every Jew because a few reject Porcine Insulin (formerly at their peril) for example.
Folks live and die by conviction.. even Ray Franz acknowledged that ALL of us will face such crises in our lives. All I have done on this thread is to build up the valliant and sincere personal efforts of many JW's. What the corporation wants to promote is another matter. All the best.
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
Moshe.. if you truly believe that then, is it really necessary to be so terse about the humble efforts made by many to make the world a better place? Broad brush strokes lead to xenophobia and persecution as you should well know. Praise the good that many JW's do.. and minimus, again, I simply do not agree with your broad brush strokes either.
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
Oh Moshe.. I really wonder if you were in the same religion as most of us here? It is Jehovah who judges, not you, not me, as Truthlover has pointed out.
Frankly, if you want this tyrranical world to continue... then you have missed the whole point of the gospel itself. MOST of the JW's I knew were kind hearted and generous people... I can never fully repay that love. I hope I can, in some way, when and if I meet them again. [Though most of these golden oldies are awaiting the resurrection now].
Each will know where he/she stands on the great day, and the JW message I preached was one of Life not Death. I guess it is which side of the looking glass you want to look through. Having a terminal disease makes you think differently, Moshe. My hat off to all Nurses, Doctors and Medics..... and the many JW's I knew/know who are among them... reaching out to help in a sore and tired old world.
The Gospel is LIFE and the destruction of all death and its causes. Don't you want that any more Moshe??
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Keep it up Truthlover.. I am 54 y.o.... a medic, ... and one of the committee of 12 for my local committee for diabetes.. I am struggling against my own mortality as I write, against the same disease. You are a wonderful lady, and a beautiful example of common humanity. When will these dudes wake up to the fact that good hearted human being exist whether they are ACTIVE JW's, ex'JW's or attached or otherwise to any other branch of humanity. Wake up people..... the great crowd is drawn from EVERY tribe and people and nationality and tongue. God chooses NOT YOU moshe....
Truthseeker..... God bless you, lady. xxx
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
Go for it Truthlover... good lady! You are sweet. At the age of 16 I stood with WT's on the forecourt of Hamburg Metropolitan station with many other JW's of many nationalities. German is not one of my languages. I got talking to a Californian who had moved to the city where his wife's family resided. I asked him why he had moved from the beautiful sunny west coast, opulent USA, in exchange for re-emerging bombed out Hamburg (this was 1972)... He replied.
He was unjustly side-lined and dismissed from his job... in accordance with U.S. benefit law at that time he was not entitled to benefits, due to dismissal from his work for a mimimum of 6 months.. he it financial hard times. NOT ONE in his very wealthy congregation acknowledged him, not a glimmer of help.. not that he asked for it.
One day there was a ring at the door bell. He anwered the door to find a cardboard box filled with supplies and a car heading off down the road. He was able to note the registration number.
He tracked it.. The plate belonged to a recently baptised, unmarried black mother of one from his congregation.
Go figure Moshe... there are hearts of gold within the WT movement. RE-evaluate... and thank you Truthlover.. this one is close to my heart.
I LOVED my brothers and sisters... why has the WT turned the congregations at large into cold, marketing, fund-raising sales units?????????? All the best Truthlover.. {boughs with respect}
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
Hold on a minute Moshe.. my Dad is still a JW Elder, has been since 1972. I have seen him and others from the Kingdom Hall delivering supplies to the needy in the community and do many things to help out. He is the First Aid co-ordinator at the circuit assemblies and uses his skills broadly, not just in the congregation.
The Witnesses in my City have furnished all the hospitals with machinery in an attempt to overcome issues related to the refusal of blood.. and that machinery is being well used for Witnesses and non witnesses alike.
When I was pioneering (10 years in full time service) I was once verbally attacked by the chairlady of the local Methodist church for not having a full time job and contributing to the tax system, leeching off Society. She backed off when I stood up for myself (unusual for a cowering JW normally) and said that the Elders in my congregation would not allow me to Pioneer if I was unable to support myself and pay my way.. and besides, I said, we are in the middle of a bad recession... if everyone had job-share like me, that would bring the unemployment statistics down, get shed loads off benefits and there would be a reduced fiscal deficit. She was astonished and apologetic, I bid her farewell and FOR ONCE I felt good for standing up to people who judge before they know the facts!
Moshe, please, a lot of our former brothers and sisters wear their hearts on their sleeves and their faith prompts them to act individually and spontaneously for the good of others. At the risk of sharing tight-fisted jokes directed at Scotsmen, Yorkshiremen and Jews.. don't overlook the widow's mite in favour of the huge handouts - often given boastfully by those who can well afford it anyway - and often as a tax avoidance!
Get some perspective here, please. Well, said Truthlover.... good on 'yer
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
America has a lot to answer for...
the IBSA (the UK ) was full of true Bible Students.. would seem to me that an awful lot of good people, who are not in a cult are mixed in with quite a few that are, because they have made it that way. Nah.. don't agree being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not being in a cult... being a Jehovah's Witness (accepting a label), probably is. Mine was a way of life, not the following of a group of men and a Printing & Publishing Corporation.
I was never a Russellite or the follower of any man other than the great man himself... by the definition you follow minimus.. that is a cult too???
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Jehovah's Witnesses---A Religion That Does Nothing For Anyone
by minimus inthe reality is: jehovah's witnesses benefit no one but themselves!.
they don't contribute to society.
they refuse to get involved in local interests because that would constitute violating their neutrality.. if sexual abuse allegations are made amongst their members, unless two witnesses can attest to the molestation, they refuse to get the "superior authorities" involved.. they claim to be doing their neighbors a "life saving" work but the reality is that they simply are pests to their "householders".. they are a tax free "religion" and they do not pay taxes.. they are judgmental people and regard the "world" as "worldly" and in the "power of the wicked one".. and if the individual members do not conform to the organization's dictates, they might very well be "shunned" and regarded as "dead".. why anyone would want to be a jehovah's witness is beyond me..
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Podobear
Organised religion made Christianity a cult, minimus. Whe I became a JW... It was not a cult... and it is not a cult to those who truly believe. Until, of course, their freedom of speech and thought are stiffled.. and they leave. EARNEST BIBLE STUDENTS.. that is what they were called and in this (UK) country they were known as the INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS ASSOCIATION. All was well until the Almighty Watchtower and our $$ hungry cousins across the Atlantic, turned into a fierce printing & publishing/marketing machine. {SIGH}