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Dateline re pedophiles I hope is just thin edge...

by Jigrigger in

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...of the wedge, and not just for the jws - although the jw might experience more rejection during door to door due to the fact they got featured on a major network during prime time - but for any other high control groups as well.. i can't imagine that it should be very difficult for the jw leadership to effectively spin it so that there won't be much in the way of immediate problems coming from within the organization, but just as with the r.c.

's, once a few start coming forward they can empower others to do the same until the little trickle they once were able to manage becomes a torrent that forces them to come to terms with the problem.

jrig

Jigrigger

...of the WEDGE, and not just for the JWs - although the JW might experience more rejection during door to door due to the fact they got featured on a MAJOR NETWORK during PRIME TIME - but for any other high control groups as well.
I can't imagine that it should be very difficult for the JW leadership to effectively spin it so that there won't be much in the way of immediate problems coming from within the organization, but just as with the R.C.'s, once a few start coming forward they can empower others to do the same until the little trickle they once were able to manage becomes a torrent that forces them to come to terms with the problem.

Jrig

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This Board and JWs

by comforter in

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at one time, this board seemed to be fair.

but i no longer think that it is, to jws, at least.

ex-jws here can cuss, insult, say fu to everybody they don't like, and call jws pedophiles.

Jigrigger

Hi Bang,

The Lord did say that the righteous would laugh.

...reminded me of a couple of lines in a Kris Kristofferson song,

..."God's still up there laughing - so he's gotta be alive,
and who says he can't take a dirty joke...

Many so-called dirty jokes are can be very amusing, actually. And who says God wouldn't find some shit really funny, especially if it involved actual circumstance...

Jrig

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Same Sh*t, different pile

by Jigrigger in

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here's a quote from a loyal lds.

note the similarities to the jw rhetoric when such a discussion takes place.... dear brothers and sisters,.

i firmly believe that the crisis in the catholic church is a prophecy of god and that the "great and abominable church will fall".

Jigrigger

Here's a quote from a loyal LDS. Note the similarities to the JW rhetoric when such a discussion takes place...

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
I firmly believe that the crisis in the Catholic church is a prophecy of God and that the "great and abominable church will fall". The Catholic church like many other false churches baptises innocent children who don't need baptism as they are innocent before the Lord. Another thing is the fact that the "leaders" of the Catholic church have hid these "perverts" for many many years without telling the congregations and sadly it is just coming out to the public now. The true church of Christ would NEVER hide up actions of their leaders if they knew that it is wrong.
If these leaders are inspired of God, why do they lie and hide those things which are not of God such as pedophiles? Why do they "transfer" these perverts instead of kicking their butts to the curb? Why are they so harsh when it comes to divorce and other things but not harsh when it comes to men "raping" young boys? I could go on and on, but my point is the Catholic church could not be the true church because TRUE inspired leaders do NOT go against with what the Lord says and commands.
The scriptures (The Bible) talk about temples and tithing, so why is it so hard for people out of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to understand what the truth is? The Mormon church practices those things of ancient times which are part of God's work. Prophets of old practiced many different things (that we practice in modern times) which are described in the bible, but no one seems to question them yet they want to attack the Mormon church.
It has been very troubling and upsetting to watch and listen to this "filth" that is coming out about the Catholic church. I thought I would just let off some "steam" and express my opinion and questions for Catholics in this forum.

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New York Islander fans lack class

by Jigrigger in

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...it was evident when they booed during the canadian anthem.. jerks!.

jrig

Jigrigger

...it was evident when they booed during the Canadian anthem.
Jerks!

Jrig

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Being the patient Father He is...

by Jigrigger in

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why didn't god wait a couple of days.... to send jesus down here.

if, as jws believe, a thousand years is but a day to jehovah - literally - then if he would have waited a couple of days, imagine the media coverage jesus could've had if he were here today.

what a way to get the message of salvation out - if you had real live coverage and verifiable proof of a man performing the sorts of things that bible writers claim jesus did wow!

Jigrigger

Hi Violet,

Most intelligent folks know that people like Copperfield are illusionists and realize that no laws of physics are being broken.If someone were down here today doing actual miracles THAT CAN BE VERIFIED in a scientific manner, we are technologically advanced enough to determine if it's an actual miracle or just smoke and mirrors. I think that the things Jesus is credited with doing are kind of like what we today would call "urban legends".

Jrig

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In 1968 WTower they said -

by mouthy in

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i have just finished reading watchtower of aug 15th 1968.

( i was still there then) i couldnt believe what i'm reading & i qoute.

"are we to assume from this study that the battle of armageddon will be over by the autumn of 1975 & the longed looked for thousand year reign of christ will begin by then?

Jigrigger

Nowadays the Society really tries to downplay 1975; actually - they started downplaying their role in it when 1976 arrived...but Headquarters has managed to keep the rank & file convinced that the whole 1975 thing was due to a few bros reading *too much* into the significance of 1975. And it's true, you can bring up 1975 with any loyal dub who went through that and yet today they will tell you that all the hype was due to a few who got a little carried away. Pure MIND CONTROL...

As I recall, JWs never had ANY thoughts about 1975 until this "new light" was revealed to us by the Society. WT quotes like the one above were the major impetus driving 1975. From the mid-late 60's to the end of 1975 the Society regularly fed the flock all these little tidbits re 1975, always careful never to fix an exact date for an absolute certainty, but worded in such a way to make the rank & file believe that if it didn't happen by 1975 it would more than likely be within the decade. The point was they had everyone thinking the big A was imminent, which is what they still think - only back then they had an actual date to dangle in front of the bros, which added a greater than usual "sense of urgency".

Mike

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Being the patient Father He is...

by Jigrigger in

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why didn't god wait a couple of days.... to send jesus down here.

if, as jws believe, a thousand years is but a day to jehovah - literally - then if he would have waited a couple of days, imagine the media coverage jesus could've had if he were here today.

what a way to get the message of salvation out - if you had real live coverage and verifiable proof of a man performing the sorts of things that bible writers claim jesus did wow!

Jigrigger

Why didn't God wait a couple of days...

To send Jesus down here. If, as JWs believe, a thousand years is but a day to Jehovah - literally - then if he would have waited a couple of days, imagine the media coverage Jesus could've had if he were here today. What a way to get the message of salvation out - if you had real live coverage and VERIFIABLE proof of a man performing the sorts of things that Bible writers claim Jesus did WOW!!, what a fine witness that would be.

Jrig

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Reasons why we hate JW's (as an org)

by ashitaka in

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my first reason is the fact that i was being controlled through the jw social structure, and having to fight to do anything....even whether to wear a tie or not.

the preoccupation with appearance was so debilitating; that was all i was ever concerned with.

and, as i'm not attractive, good in sports, or a conformist, i had very few friends.

Jigrigger

Well Xenu, you are technically correct. For instance, I can't recall ever being counselled about what kind of toothpaste to buy, or if I should hold my fork in my right or left hand...
However, the kind of control that Headquarters exerts is far more insidious than merely stating IN PRINT what you should and shouldn't do.

The mindset that JW indoctrination creates an environment where one cannot make simple decisions in even mundane matters without worrying how others - specifically elders - will view one's choices as to how theocratic that one is.

I remember as a teenager a friend of mine was agonizing over whether the first vehicle he was about to purchase would be a pick-up or a mid-size sedan. He really wanted the truck but an elder told him it would reflect selfishness on his part if he got a vehicle that wouldn't be useful for door to door work. Of course, you will never see in print that "young JW men must not purchase 4X4s" but it is clear that the Society's control in an individual's life extends well beyond stated doctrine and into matters of the utmost unimportance.

Jrig

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take the personality test

by BATHORY in

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feb 09 to feb 18 - cedar tree .

feb 19 to feb 28 - pine tree .

mar 01 to mar 10 - weeping willow tree .

Jigrigger

Reminds me of this little old joke...

A little tree growing up in this forest didn't know what kind of tree he was. Everytime a squirrel or fox would happen by, the the little tree would stop the creature and say "Excuse me, could you tell me what kind of tree am I, am I a son of a BEECH or a son of a Birch?" And not one of these creatures could tell him. Finally, one day after this tree had grown up, a wood-pecker landed on one of his limbs. The tree said "Mr. Wood-pecker, could you tell me what kind of tree I am, am I a son of a Beech or a son of a Birch?" The wood-pecker replied "All I can tell you is that your old lady was the best piece of ASH I ever stuck my PECKER into!!!"

By the way, my B-day is June 1, so I be ASH...

Jrig

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1975

by Parliament in

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i had a 2 hour converstion with a p.o.

today.

i brought up the '75 controversy and he told me the the wbts only mentioned '75 in the '68 watchtower and again in late '75, but it never said that it would be then.

Jigrigger

Hi Parliament,

Here's a good one too...

For example
the 5/22/69 AWAKE! on page 15 said this:" If you are a young person, you also need to face the
fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Therefore as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on its way to its finish, if not actually gone!