Ah the willful ignorance defense of god.
The God I was refering to grammatically would get a capital G. You seem to be refusing an entity that you believe doesn't exist the satisfaction of a capital letter. Interesting.
-Sab
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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?
by EntirelyPossible inthoughts?
a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.
they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.
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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?
by EntirelyPossible inthoughts?
a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.
they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.
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Doesn't he watch suffering when he could DO something about it?
That's why God created object permanence. He also created free will and when you combine the two you get people going behind closed doors and doing bad things. If you remove the privacy free will is impinged upon.
If you notice God doesn't know where Adam and his wife are in Genesis 3:
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
That's because he created it that way. He gave Adam privacy. What a gift!
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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?
by EntirelyPossible inthoughts?
a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.
they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.
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My Lord has asked me to ask you, dear Sab (again, peace to you!)... if YOU have perhaps heard of someone who says that a comet is coming... and you believe such a person (perhaps because you have not found them to be a liar)... such that YOU now know... should YOU say anything to the government/science field? And if so, what would YOU say... to whom... how... and when?
My response:
If the person who communicated with the spirit was not given means to verify the comet then I personally would assume the spirit was mistaken. Therefore, I would have no compelling reason to inform the proper authorities. On the other hand if the claim could be verified and the person chose to NOT inform the proper authorities, then that person is an accomplice to genocide as would be any they adequately informed of the method of confirmation who also kept it secret. This is because the scientific community HAS the capability to deflect or destroy a comet. It's theoretical, but necessity has always been the mother of invention. Not giving it a try would be an act of foolishness. With something like a comet every second we could get in advance would count. If the spirit refused to cooperate, I would suspect it to have ill intentions.
If I was given the means to verify a threat to humanity from a higher power I would inform science in the best way available.
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So...why is taking blood essentially viewed as unforgivable by the WT?
by sd-7 inbeen hearing about this 'grey's anatomy' episode, and while i didn't see it, it brought up a question i wanted to throw out there, albeit a long-winded one, as is my usual nature.. the fact that people would rather die than take blood, as if...if they take it, they're doomed for sure to not make the new system--it doesn't make sense to me.
people both in the organization and the bible stories are forgiven for heinous crimes, murder, adultery, child sacrifice, everything up to and including denying jesus altogether.
(let's not forget child molestation and rape, apparently...) so why does it seem like this one act is presented to jws as one that's never to be forgiven?.
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The no blood policy is the most potent of the Watchtower's "deadly doctrines." They get people to believe something that could kill them and when it does, the Watchtower deems them a sacrifice to "Jehovah" and the rank and file eat it up. When in reality it just doesn't make sense, like you say. To the ancient Jews eating blood was considered no different than any other sin. Whenever an unintentional sin was committed one could do what was called a "sin offering" which would absorb their guilt.
A sin offering (Hebrew: ???? ???? korban khatta'at) is a biblical sacrifice offered to achieve atonement for the committing of an unintentional sin. This offering is brought only for those sins that had they been committed intentionally the punishment would be kareth
Even the medical community will say that you don't default to transfering blood from one person to the other because there are risks. Yet, it's not like people who require a life saving blood transfusion are intentionally sinning because the alternative is death. They are forced by chance into making a risk vs reward decision with their own life in the balance. Therefore even IF you call blood transfusions a sin, all one would need to do is make a sin offering and it would be attoned for. Because they didn't choose to have a car accident or fall off a roof or whatever. Their circumstance is purely incidental. Yet the Watchtower demands that they die or face Gehenna. They want member death, it's part of their business model.
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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?
by EntirelyPossible inthoughts?
a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.
they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.
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Well, now, I didn't say such one shouldn't try to save as many lives as THEY can. I didn't even know we were discussing that, per se. I thought we were discussing telling the government/science, etc. Right? Or did I miss something?
My point is that defending against a comet WILL require the combined efforts of many scientists. The earlier those scientists know about the comet the more probable it is that they will develop a workable defense. They'd need to know specifics about the comet as soon as possible. On the other hand if they are not informed it may be too late when they become aware of it. If someone knows the comet is coming, then they should inform the authorities so that scientists can develop a strategy. Time would be of the essence and the fate of the world would lie in the balance. If the voice hearer chose to just go into a cave with their family and friends, that would be inhuman. It would be tragic if that person just assumed there was no way out when we have science to make attempt to defend with.
Interesting. Does that apply to, say, Iran, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Pakistan, Tibet, Kurdistan, etc., etc., etc., too? Because I don't think my telling, say, the U.S. and others forces who, say, drops bombs on innocent folks... or the fanatical terrorists who blow themselves up... that if they all don't just stop that mess because one day they're gonna all reap what they sow... is gonna stop THEM.
I don't see how that example applies to this discussion. We are talking about a voice telling a woman that a comet is going to hit earth. This person has inside information as to the fate of the known world and she doesn't seem interested in informing the right people. This means she is crazy or a liar.
I understand what YOU are saying, dear Sab. Perhaps you can try to understand what I am saying. Perhaps not. No worries, though. It's just a hypothetical situation anyway.
I see that you want to change the details and talk about those instead. I am little worked up about this topic because there are so many people on this planet who believe in the world ending. I was raised by such people and it surrounded me for the majority of my life. I have learned that their ghastly views about God and the universe is just their misanthropy showing through their psychology. It genuinely freaks me out to think that some people would just watch a comet come and kill everybody and believe it was part of some higher purpose. It grosses me out.
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What JW catch phrase DRIVES YOU NUTS!!!!
by megaflower in"we should be mindful".
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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"Wait till past the bloom of youth" excuse my language but what the hell does that mean?
That's when flower buds start poking out your nose, ears and mouth. Until then you cannot be considered in full bloom. They go back inside during the night time, though.
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Bipolar Landlady kicks me out!
by Terry infun times.. a year and a month have passed since i moved in to the house where my cousin deb and her husband bobby live.. i had a small but comfortable room, tv, etc.. a nice cozy family situation, you might say....right?.
i pay $600 a month to defray expenses.. hunky dory.. sure.
until the first few eruptions!.
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Sorry you had to go through that Terry! This is just my opinion, but her condition doesn't sound like bi polar disorder to me. It sounds like Borderline Personality Disorder.
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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?
by EntirelyPossible inthoughts?
a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.
they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.
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If y'all believe in God so much, wouldn't you welcome this?
The world has been decieved about the purpose of the contents of the Great Flood story. When you take that account literally you greatly alter the morality of God because you turn him into a genocidal monster. Yet, when realizing that the story was never meant to tell a historical account (it was legend/myth even for Abraham) you will see that it actually shows that God doesn't destroy world populations. The writers of the account wrote it a very specific way which was to make sure God explicitly stated he would not destroy the world a "second time." This turns ANYONE who makes a claim that God is coming to destroy the world a liar.
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So, What's Scary Anymore?
by AGuest inused to be werewolves and vampires.
thinkin' "twilight" did that in - just saw a commercial for a cartoon where the star is a teenage vampire.
even the zombies are becoming friendly (seen a trailer about a zombie who falls in love and so reverts to "living" again).
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I LOVE SALAD FINGERS!
-Sab
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A comet coming to end the world? Useful information?
by EntirelyPossible inthoughts?
a woman named amanda started hearing a voiced telling them that a comet was going to destroy the earth.
they bought a house in the north carolina mountains to prepare, thinking the voice belongs to the dead former owner of the house.
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Ah, dear Sab (again, peace to you!)... you didn't give attention to what I stated. Which I tried to be VERY clear about.
You went off on a tangent.
If "it" chose to, yes. "It" might not. For "it's" own reasons. Even so, depends on what others consider to be "proof".
Lets say I come up to you and tell you that a person is going to come to a school in your country and shoot up the place. But I refuse to give you a name or a location and inform you to keep your children out of school for a few weeks. Would you trust me? Because if that happened to me I would suspect the informer to be a co-conspirator to the evil they spoke of.
Given what such ones would need as "proof"... indeed, it most probably would be. Hence, the choice to remain silent and NOT say anything.
If the "voice" knows about the comet, it will also know where it's coming from. Otherwise how would it know it's coming? If the voice is shakey with the details it's simply a false notion or an act of deceit.
Ummmm... says who, dear one? WHO says tho WHOM responsibility is "owed"? Of course, those who would be adversely affected are going to say the responsibility is/was owed to them. However, the source of the communication might say the responsibility is owed to "it." The one with the information may think the responsibility is owed to himself/his loved ones only. Who SAYS who it's owed to? And what makes them "right"?
We are talking about inside information that directly affects the fate of the known world. Common sense applies which says that ignorant people in peril deserve to be informed of it. If you see a known criminal charging an old lady without her notice do you NOT inform her because it's not your responsibility? It's just common sense that you don't watch others suffer needlessly when you have any availability to mitigate that suffering.
To try, yes. To succeed? I'm not so sure.
To not involve science would be not trying.
Threatened by who, dear one? An "enemy"? What if our world is the enemy? Not saying it is; just asking...
Threatened by a comet which could destroy billions of people on the planet. It doesn't matter which country you are part of when a comet is heading towards your planet.
I can see why you would say that, but not sure I agree. I certianly don't think the fields of cosmology, etc., would agree... unless these attended renowned institutions of learning and had significant letters behind their names... and credentials/recommendations to offer. What, though, if the one who has such premonintion is named simply "Ulnek" and lives in the Amazon forest? What if he's, say, only 8 years old?
It's the responsibility of the scientific community to make use of all available options for planetary defense. If there is no outlet for the 8 year old to present their unique information then that's on the scientific community for letting a truth slip through their system. Naturally, you couldn't answer the calls of every 8 year old who had a bad dream, so you'd have to develop a system of criteria that filtered out the obvious fakes.
Now, I am a HUGE fan of flicks like, say, "Independence Day," and "War of the Worlds," and "Cowboys and Aliens" (although, not so much that one), and "Armageddon," and... well, anything "spaceship-y." Because I like the "thrill" these present. But I'm interested in hearing how you think an event such as "the battle on the great day of God Almighty"... waged in a place called "Harmageddon"... can be thwarted by science. Given how those who are involved in are gathered by, say, "impure spirits that look like frogs," etc., who do you they can... perhaps even will... do it?
Science averts armageddons all the time. Look at what happened in Japan with the last quake. Their buildings held because science has found a way to survive through it. God isn't in the business of destroying planetary populations, that's for Emperor Palpatine and the Death Star. A comet being hurled at earth will TEST the capabilities of science AND society's willingness to cooperate. To think that we should just watch it come and destroy us and assume it's God's will is asinine. We live together and we die alone.
What, though, if it's understood... even KNOWN... that humanity CANNOT prepare... no matter HOW much time is given?
Then we're doomed.
gain, not trying to say HERE that any of this is real or will occur. Just a hypothetical for purposes of this thread and trying to understand your thinking, here Because, again... I don't think you really "heard" what I stated: if the prophecy is TRUE... AND it includes the PROPHECY that there is nothing that can be done... which is ALSO true... such one should tell science/the world... why?
Matthew 24 says that we are supposed to keep on the lookout which means that if we are NOT prepared bad things will happen to us. When you think about it the same goes for any natural disaster. Preperation is a key line of defense against natural disasters, so if people know they are going to happen in advance, they have a responsibility to save as many lives as they can using their inside information. To just watch people die when you could have tried to do something is inhuman.
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