in a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.
in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).
that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.
I just realized I made a mistake, it's not the Beast of the Earth with the feet of the bear, it's the scarlet colored 7 headed wild beast being directed by the harlot city woman. The Beast out of the Earth is a false prophet and speaks FOR the scarlet colored wild beast, who is actually under control from the Dragon on the shore. It's so complicated! I get mixed up sometimes. I will have to edit the above post before the time runs out.
-Sab
in a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.
in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).
that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.
I fair point in that it does SEEM that evil may have the upper hand, but it has seemed that way since the beginning hasn't it? With Adam's fall, with Christ saying that Satan was the ruler in His time ( but also saying he rule was at an end when He was resurrected) and with all the crap we have to deal with today. Fact is the the b attle between good and evil, order and chaos, the vorlons and the shadows ( :P ), has been and will be going on till the end of days.
Yes, each side is always given equal opportunity. Revelation 11 has a seven year period broken up into two partitions: 42 months and 1260 days. To me it's highly significant that they are shown to be given equal time, but are represented by differing measurments of time. This could signify the differing ideologies of Good and Evil or cooperation and domination.
The 42 months depicts a group of people called the Gentiles who "trample the outer court of the holy city" for that time duration. Directly after that takesplace will come with another group that will prophecy for 1260 days completing the "7 year cycle." Further down the line in Revelation 13 the Scarlet Colored Wild Beast has the feet of a bear which means it has flat feet which are good for trampling. To me there is a direct correlation with the Trampling Gentiles of Revelation 11 and the Beast out of the Earth which is also the False Prophet that is thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation 20. We seem to be deep into the times of those trampling Gentiles and the Beast out of the Earth, who speaks in the name of the Scarlet Colored Wild Beast, which is why it's so hard to be a Christian in today's society both past and present. There is definitely liberty currently being given to the forces of Evil to make a point once and for all. It really does appear as if a godless future is on the horizon with the atheist movements and it's looked at as a thrilling prospect of peace and security. Because, they really do WIN when it comes to mainstream religion, but not against the Body of Christ. The Mormons for example have no official stance on Evolution. That means that the evolutionist argument TRUMPS them and they don't even have to disprove God, they just have to prove evolution is worthy of having an official stance on. If it is worthy and a religion reject's it, then they are a false religion and part of the Beast out of the Earth of Revlation 13. They are part of Bible prophecy.
Charles Darwin died in 1882 and decades later came the advent of the popular term, "I'll be a monkey's uncle."
- ( idiomatic ) (often preceded bywell) expressing complete surprise or disbelief
- Well I’ll be a monkey's uncle! I would never have thought that tourists would go into space!
So the term is supposed to denote a complete surprise or disbelief. This term is strangely reminiscent of evolutionary theory. For the vast majority of our species existence we have firmly believed to have been created in the Image of God and there was no train of evolutionary development. So, to suddenly and unexpectedly discover that there were evolutionary links required millions of years ago for humanity to come to be you might have yelled out, "Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle!" Because there would be some truth as we share a common ancestor with all primates (making us "related" hence the term "uncle"). While the term is tongue-in-cheek, it could have been used with a derogatory connotation. As in: "I would never believe in something as ludacris as being related to primates."
So basically what I am saying is that the evolutionists lead by Charles Darwin was a total counter to mainstream religion and that's a sure sign that religion of today mostly consists of parties that are considered part of the "Beast of the Earth" which tramples on God's home for half of the time allotted (3.5 years). I hope that all makes sense.
-Sab
in a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.
in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).
that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.
So now we are living in a period of time where he isn't doing any "in the worlds face" events and sending angels and visually doing things that had been done before.
Revelation says that the Beast out of the Earth " performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people." This is reminiscent of the scene in second Kings where Elijah is contending with the 450 prophets of Baal. The contest was to see who's God could send fire down from the heavens to consume an offering. So, what Revelation is saying is that the Beast of the Earth will be able to complete this task whereas the prophets of Baal could not, it shows an evolution of dark forces. What would have happened if the prophets of Baal were the ones who called fire down from heaven ande Elijah could not? That seems to be what the case is today. The Watchtower preaching work is a great example of a powerful work. The Beast has the upper hand and that's the purpose of this stage of humanity that we are currently in. Just my thoughts, PSac.
-Sab
why did he not put pen to papyrus, all the wise sayings that are attributed to him by others.?.
he is supposed to be the greater moses , at least moses is credited with writing the first five books of the bible , admittedlly some centuries later .
jesus never wrote anything at all .. if jesus is the greater moses ,what writings has he done ?...zilch.
I don't even get the argument you propose here - So.. if I can't prove god doesn't exist... that somehow equates to writing being evil and less important than the theoretical "glory" god. Wait.. what?
It's really hard to put one's self in God's shoes. This is a matter of jealousy. God wants the glory because it's rightfully His. If you created the game, you will be unwilling to lose control of it. That would be like a human losing control of a machine they created to the point that it goes rogue (like if your internet browser suddenly turned against you!). In science fiction this a thrilling prospect, but it's in no way a reflection of reality. A creator is master over it's creations, it's a simple concept that scifi breaks to create a fantastical environment of storytelling (sells tickets and books).
Since you cannot prove this entity doesn't exist when speaking in a thread about that Entity's Son there is no need to argue the fundamentals. It should be assumed because the content is about an individual that claimed to be the Son of God that such a God exists, even if theoretically.
If I can't prove Muhammad isn't the great holy prophet, does that mean mathmatics are evil?
Mathmatics is a technology that had to be developed, so yes, there is a darkside to all technology, including mathmatics. You can't have the atom bomb without mathmatics, for example.
If you believe that only one god exists, and that all the thousands of other gods don't exist, then you are already 99.9% athiest. You just haven't gotten over that last 0.1% yet.
Yes, but the "all gods are the same God" argument is the really challenging one. It breaks down to two groups: for and against.
-Sab
why did he not put pen to papyrus, all the wise sayings that are attributed to him by others.?.
he is supposed to be the greater moses , at least moses is credited with writing the first five books of the bible , admittedlly some centuries later .
jesus never wrote anything at all .. if jesus is the greater moses ,what writings has he done ?...zilch.
Writing exists. "Glory" is a curtain for nothing.
That's not an argument because you can't prove God doesn't exist. My point is that compared to God writing is merely a technology. Just like MP3 players.
So.... If we were all the same instead of unique individuals, unable to express our unique opinions, we'd be better off! Kill the infadels!
When writing became commonplace a great evil was brought into reality. Jesus used the argument "for it is written" because what was written down was made official. Think of a "no diving sign" at a pool. If someone is diving into the pool anyone can simply use the sign as the authority and compel the infractor to change their course of action. Without the sign there is no authority and nothing can be done. Without writing no one can appeal to it you see. However, this brings up the problem of false witnesses and lying in general. With every technology, including writing, there is a darkside. Think about an official document that is false! Think about the chaos that comes from that. Technology is a necessary evil including writing.
-Sab
how important is evidence to your world view?.
if you had to make a decision on a fact being true, what would be the deciding factor for you... your feelings and faith, scriptural statement or evidence presented by modern science?.
would scripture trump evidence, or would faith trump scripture etc .
Faith without evidence is blind and blind faith is a blight on this planet.
-Sab
why did he not put pen to papyrus, all the wise sayings that are attributed to him by others.?.
he is supposed to be the greater moses , at least moses is credited with writing the first five books of the bible , admittedlly some centuries later .
jesus never wrote anything at all .. if jesus is the greater moses ,what writings has he done ?...zilch.
Like it or not - our ability to read and write is far greater and far more powerful than any god that ever existed.
Not true, writing is a petty technology compared to the glory of God. Think about it, one word 6+ definitions. It's not conducive to truth, only agreement. If our society was not held back by words and the arguments that come from them, we'd be better off.
-Sab
why did he not put pen to papyrus, all the wise sayings that are attributed to him by others.?.
he is supposed to be the greater moses , at least moses is credited with writing the first five books of the bible , admittedlly some centuries later .
jesus never wrote anything at all .. if jesus is the greater moses ,what writings has he done ?...zilch.
Then why write anything down?
Writing is a necessary evil. We wouldn't be able to agree and progress without it. However, Christ, as the Word of God, is the Author of all Scripture (including ancient wall paintings and oral-law based societies). There would be no need to add to it as a human because he would just continue "breathing" it into existence as the Spirit of Truth. His purpose on earth was to die and become a spirit, not to write Scripture.
-Sab
hi guys,.
being a brit living abroad, i never really understood the whole thanksgiving business.. i think growing up as a jw didn't help either.
anyway, i've rid myself of those jw shackles and have decided to take an interest into the goings on over the pond, especially as my favourite place on earth is bar harbor.
All holidays are summed up in the JW "No part of the world" doctrine. They wrongly apply Jesus' words about his kingdom being no part of the world. Thanksgiving, like all holidays, is a "wordly" holiday.
-Sab
why did he not put pen to papyrus, all the wise sayings that are attributed to him by others.?.
he is supposed to be the greater moses , at least moses is credited with writing the first five books of the bible , admittedlly some centuries later .
jesus never wrote anything at all .. if jesus is the greater moses ,what writings has he done ?...zilch.
That's a very good question and I think that answer is that if he wrote anything down it would have been destroyed or warped. If Jesus would have concentrated on writing his ideas down they could have been easily replaced with the writing of another person or altered. How could people have verified the legitimacy of Jesus' written words in the ancient world? Their options were simply limited.
It makes sense that the Messiah would preach to about a million people leaving a lasting impression, rather than devote his life to the creation of Scripture that could be altered and falsified. The Torah and the Talmud already existed, there didn't need to be any more Scripture, it just needed to be properly interpreted which Christ did nicely.
-Sab
