Watersprout:
Please see my edited comment above yours. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Well, I Guess There IS One Good Thing About the WTBTS...
by AGuest inif you're the kind of person who would rather convince yourself that someone isn't "deserving" of your help... which may include your money... even an amount as small as $3.00... the wtbts was the right group to be a part of.
because they have every excuse under the sun for not giving to the poor... not helping out someone in need... not even giving a hungry one a meal (because we know, don't we, that every one of them is an alcoholic and/or drug addict... and everyone knows... particularly the wtbts... that those folks... those sinners... don't deserve to eat at all...).
looks like some of have learned well from them.
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Well, I Guess There IS One Good Thing About the WTBTS...
by AGuest inif you're the kind of person who would rather convince yourself that someone isn't "deserving" of your help... which may include your money... even an amount as small as $3.00... the wtbts was the right group to be a part of.
because they have every excuse under the sun for not giving to the poor... not helping out someone in need... not even giving a hungry one a meal (because we know, don't we, that every one of them is an alcoholic and/or drug addict... and everyone knows... particularly the wtbts... that those folks... those sinners... don't deserve to eat at all...).
looks like some of have learned well from them.
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Oh .....
p.s. I started doing this (feed the homeless thing) because I had a dream where I felt someone telling me 'feed the children' (food) ...or something. Not because I was trying to 'get in good with God'...or 'humiliate' them...or 'show off to others that i'm doing this'
p.s.s. I also wanted to say, I am NOT the mcdonalds person that wrote to Shelby (AGuest) ...I am another person that wanted to comment. I cannot take credit for the bravery and act that that person did.
Infact I didn't even read the other post until AFTER i had responded on this one. Which is why Aguest's comment, now makes more sense but..I was trying to figure out 'what...is she talking about? who?' I was merely speaking about the act of helping another perosn in need.
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Well, I Guess There IS One Good Thing About the WTBTS...
by AGuest inif you're the kind of person who would rather convince yourself that someone isn't "deserving" of your help... which may include your money... even an amount as small as $3.00... the wtbts was the right group to be a part of.
because they have every excuse under the sun for not giving to the poor... not helping out someone in need... not even giving a hungry one a meal (because we know, don't we, that every one of them is an alcoholic and/or drug addict... and everyone knows... particularly the wtbts... that those folks... those sinners... don't deserve to eat at all...).
looks like some of have learned well from them.
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Cameo-d:
At what price? By humiliating him, stomping on his dignity by making him the focus of a scene, and requiring his participation? Play for pay.
Humiliating him? how? he has a sign that says 'hungry please help.' how am I humiliating him by GIVING him what he WANTS? Instead of ignoring him like the other 99% of the world society.
You said:
Yes, I do think motive is very important.
My response:
Motive has everything to do with it if it's pertaining to your OWN personal sefl development and reasoning. If YOU'RE trying to get in 'GOOD WITH GOD.' Unless someone is trying to take him into some sort of dangerious situation like 'i'll give you food, just come over here to Achwitz! this 'camp' thing we got going on, where you'll need to shovel some...uh...'ash' into the furnace. ' ...yeah then i can see how dangering some homeless persons LIFE can infact be a 'bad motive' ...where it brings HIM harm or others. The point I was trying to make is, TO THE HOMELESS MAN....what difference does it make of YOUR motive if he gets fed and never sees you again? there is a good chance that person would become very appreciative of the food...especially with 'Hungry please help' sign.
You said:
Many will say..." But Lord, didn't I feed the hungry in your name?"
And Jesus will answer: "I know you not!"
There is a right way and a wrong way. That is clear indication that motive determines what is right or wrong.
My response:
Again, this isn't about YOU. It's about the HOMELESS MAN. Many will say 'but Lord, didn't I give him food' ... and my response is...this isn't about YOU, or your MOTIVE, that pertains to YOU. EVEN if that is his (Christs) response...the point is...this person...homeless man...his LIFE just got better ...that day, cause YOU helped him...regardless of motive. HE (not YOU) probably DOESN'T CARE about your MOTIVE.
when you 'HELP' someone...you sacrifice YOUR needs to assist THEIR needs (not always). Even if your motive is BAD, he STILL gets fed. You may not even WANT to help them...but who said it's easy?
but if it IS about 'being good with God' and...making sure Christ knows you...sure...make sure you got your good motives in your hostler.
But this is about doing a deed for someone to make sure you prolong their life and make the struggle a little less hard.
I may have my issues with life and everything. But feeding someone...that's asking for food..even if it's bad motive...shouldn't matter about whether it's a 'good deed' or 'bad deed' so that your getting good with God or whatever ...but the focus should be the OTHER PERSON.
Unfortunately, those that do things out of 'bad motives' ...usually don't. But there are those that still do...and because of it, someone got fed that day.
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Otherwise, you enable mooches who have no ambition. And you do it for the personal satisfaction of appearing benevolent before others.
I usually do this in secret...most of the time I don't tell people. There are sometimes where i can see how this might make me 'look good' in front of others...and that's not correct. That is incorrect thinking. So yes, i may need to improve on in that area. But again, until i'm completely SINNLESS ...perhaps others may be like 'okay until my motive is clean...and good...then i'm going to feed them.' Where i may be like 'okay i'm going to keep doing this so people are fed until i'm 'made perfect' in this act'
that way, they're at least FED in the mean time.
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How Did You Finally "Get Out Of Her" (JWs)??
by minimus inwhat situation(s) got you out of the organization, either mentally or physically or both?
what was your "last straw"?.
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1 Thess 4:14-18 didn't fit in with the organization's teachings. ...and everything came undone after that
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Whats interesting is...all this started by a BLANK POST! i wonder what would happen if we actually made a post that had words in it! ...
like uh.... 'OH MY GOD THE PICKLES ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"
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Well, I Guess There IS One Good Thing About the WTBTS...
by AGuest inif you're the kind of person who would rather convince yourself that someone isn't "deserving" of your help... which may include your money... even an amount as small as $3.00... the wtbts was the right group to be a part of.
because they have every excuse under the sun for not giving to the poor... not helping out someone in need... not even giving a hungry one a meal (because we know, don't we, that every one of them is an alcoholic and/or drug addict... and everyone knows... particularly the wtbts... that those folks... those sinners... don't deserve to eat at all...).
looks like some of have learned well from them.
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Whether giving out of a 'good motive' or 'bad motive' ...is irrelavent in this situation in my opinion. you can sit and have it be a gift or 'a gift' ...whether glorification for yourself or another person. Whether it's for whatever it may mean... make others think your humble, or whatever. What does it matter to the person recieving the gift? or 'gift'? Does it matter?
Yes we should ALL do it out of a 'good motive' ...and be a genuine gift. But in the end...whether you see it as a gift...'gift'...or bad or good...or whatever...in the end...giving food to another individual who's only means is to SURVIVE...and by helping their life can be extended is NEVER a bad thing. And what do they normally say? "God bless you" ...so what if one say 'May satan bless you" ... so what? Whether you did it for your own reasons or for another person...bottom line is: the person is fed at the end of the day. Their day has a little brightness in it for that day. It rejuvinates their hope and realization THEY ARE worth something...that a stranger has given them food. Their life DOES have some meaning. but most of all... They have food for the day to help them with their struggle.
I wonder how much society CREATES homeless people by not helping them in their financial needs ...physiological needs...selfesteem needs...social acceptance...(all the maslows heirachy stuff) and ..then punish them for being homeless.
"WHY DON'T YOU GET A JOB?"
is it so easy to get a job with no social security number? drivers license? or a place to put on the application where it says 'Address.' Is it so easy to get a job when you don't have any clean clothes to make yourself look presentable? is it so EASY to get a job when you've fallen so far and become part of a social group of people that are REJECTED by society? Is a job so easy to maintain when you barely have any money for food (energy)? I work 40 hours a week...this week i'm working 56...and by the end of the day i'm exhausted...but i know I have energy still...my exhaustion would be nothing compared to someone who eats once every 4-5 days. Not to mention the labor work that a job demands on you. Instead of worrying about whether YOUR motive is GOOD or not...or if it's a 'gift' or gift... who cares? why not just worry about the OTHER person....regardless of your motive and just FEED THEM.
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Furnishing my apartment suggestions?
by Voices ini'm trying to ways to furnish my apartment.
now, unfortunately, i'm going to be renting my furniture because i do not want an empty apartment with only a bed because it'll be my first apartment in like 8 years.
i need my apartment to look elegant.
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Thank you everyone! i'm really glad that you guys helped with my question. i'll take everything/everyone's suggestions in consideration...i'm probably going to see if she wants to go shopping with me. We'll see
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Furnishing my apartment suggestions?
by Voices ini'm trying to ways to furnish my apartment.
now, unfortunately, i'm going to be renting my furniture because i do not want an empty apartment with only a bed because it'll be my first apartment in like 8 years.
i need my apartment to look elegant.
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ooooo nelly! i LIKE that! ...i'm not firmialr with furniture style. I just realized something too...I don't want to come off like 'i'm hiding in the closet' or something either... hm.. but i DEFINATELY like that...That doesn't seem too bad there.
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Furnishing my apartment suggestions?
by Voices ini'm trying to ways to furnish my apartment.
now, unfortunately, i'm going to be renting my furniture because i do not want an empty apartment with only a bed because it'll be my first apartment in like 8 years.
i need my apartment to look elegant.
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Cameo-D
I'm sorry you lost that! that must've felt really bad!
I'm thinking something more like this:
<img src='http://st.houzz.com/simages/17798_0_3-3708-modern-living-room.jpg' alt='J. Weiss Design 1 modern living room' border=0 width='320' height='213'></img></a></div><div style='color:#444;'><small><a style='text-decoration:none;color:#444;' href='http://www.houzz.com/photos/modern/living-room'>modern living room design</a> by <a style='text-decoration:none;color:#444;' href='http://www.houzz.com/professionals/architect/san-francisco'>san francisco architect</a> <a style='text-decoration:none;color:#444;' href='http://www.houzz.com/photos/professionals/498/J-Weiss-Design'>
