Interesting... when they have the elders' business meeting do they list the expenses in detail to the elders? Or just tell them the amount and get a vote? And who decides the amount? The assembly overseer, the CO? Or does the WTS suggest a certain donation?
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Circuit Assemblies - Do they make money? Convince Chas
by Chaserious ini have seen a number of posts here stating that the wts turns a profit off cas (and das for that matter) as if it is an established fact.
i tried searching for prior threads on this, in case maybe there is evidence i'm not aware of (such as inside sources), but the search function is not too advanced so i didn't find anything.
in any event, about 4 years ago when i used to attend them it seemed that the expenses they would announce for a 2-day ca would be around $10k, and for a 1-day it would be $5k.
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Circuit Assemblies - Do they make money? Convince Chas
by Chaserious ini have seen a number of posts here stating that the wts turns a profit off cas (and das for that matter) as if it is an established fact.
i tried searching for prior threads on this, in case maybe there is evidence i'm not aware of (such as inside sources), but the search function is not too advanced so i didn't find anything.
in any event, about 4 years ago when i used to attend them it seemed that the expenses they would announce for a 2-day ca would be around $10k, and for a 1-day it would be $5k.
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I have seen a number of posts here stating that the WTS turns a profit off CAs (and DAs for that matter) as if it is an established fact. I tried searching for prior threads on this, in case maybe there is evidence I'm not aware of (such as inside sources), but the search function is not too advanced so I didn't find anything. In any event, about 4 years ago when I used to attend them it seemed that the expenses they would announce for a 2-day CA would be around $10k, and for a 1-day it would be $5k. So it seems safe to assume they are taking in about $10k per weekend. They don't have assemblies every weekend, at least where I attended, especially in the summer, when they had almost none. So I think it would be reasonable to figure they have assemblies 35/52 weeks of the year. This would be $10k x 35 = $350,000 per year. To me, it seems like it would cost about that much to maintain an assembly hall. I was wondering if others disagree. Among the costs would be:
Utilities, and not for a house mind you. These are 100,000 square foot monstrosities, often with several outbuildings, that are being heated and have at least some other utilities running 7 days a week.
Cost of the caretaker and his wife, including all of their living expenses, health care, home, etc.
Landscaping - where I attended it was on multiple acres, with large garden/flower displays in the summer. It must cost a lot to keep up with that.
Insurance
Maintenance - Labor is free, but there are still materials, and it's often necessary to rent expensive equipment to do seemingly ordinary maintenance due to high ceilings and other unusual features. I know from experience. Also they do provide meals to volunteers doing maintenance and repair work.
Am I overestimating that these things could cost $350k? I'm sure I'm forgetting some expenses incidental to maintaining such a big property. Are they charging more for expenses now? I'm not tied to my theory - I'd love to be wrong. But please, I'm interested in logic or evidence, not "The WT$$$ is greedy, of course they are making money." Thanks!
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They really do love their sign, don't they...
by cedars inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52anhcjb89y.
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Sorry about those blank posts... cat walking across the computer. =)
If there is a way to erase, it'd be great to hear, but it doesn't appear so.
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They really do love their sign, don't they...
by cedars inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52anhcjb89y.
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They really do love their sign, don't they...
by cedars inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52anhcjb89y.
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Anyone from New Hampshire? Do JWs object to the license plate??
by Chaserious ini happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wooley_v._maynard.
"george maynard and his wife, followers of the jehovah's witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [live free or die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles.".
it appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto!
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Jgnat: I just hope Candace Conti's verdict is upheld! I don't think it could go to the U.S. Supreme Court on the issue because fiduciary duty is a state law doctrine, and the U.S. Supreme Court can only review issues involving the U.S. Constitution or federal law. For some cases, the state supreme court is the highest it can go. There is one constitutional issue in the case, which is the WTS's claim that punitive damages as applied here are unconstitutional, but it's really just an issue of whether the law was applied correctly here, not a novel issue that SCOTUS would want. There is also some WTS allegation about free exercise, which is a constitutional issue, but I think it's pretty baseless and just an add-on to see if it sticks.
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Fudementalist Genesis Beliefs
by BU2B ini have always, even when mentally in been so amazed at some of the claims of witnesses and others regarding genesis.
one of these is the thought that before the flood, animals and humans were all vegetarians.
i remember asking my dad when i was little about why tyranasaurous rex teeth looked so fearsome and sharp if they were vegetarians.
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designs: That's a great point, although I think that some of these politicians are just preening for their constituents. Like when Marco Rubio said in an interview:
" Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries."
He was trying to be non-committal without antagonizing his base or appearing anti-science. The firestorm he got for it afterward showed that you really can't have it both ways. I serious doubted he is actually a young-earth creationist, which he clarified with a subsequent statement basically saying he believes the earth is 4 billion years old but that doesn't contradict creation.
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Watchtower Sells Yet Another Heights Property
by iamwhoiam inhttp://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2012/11/the-watchtower-sells-yet-another-heights-property/.
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rix - they probably ended up purchasing the travelers bond, which was the alternative to a freeze on their assets or as they wanted to, putting up patterson as collateral.
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Anyone from New Hampshire? Do JWs object to the license plate??
by Chaserious ini happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wooley_v._maynard.
"george maynard and his wife, followers of the jehovah's witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [live free or die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles.".
it appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto!
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Thanks Neon, interesting to hear. I suspected it wasn't an official rule. As if they need all JWs covering up part of their license plates in case they didn't look like enough of a cult already.
Ding: I am guessing that his objection was that the motto implies that rather than give up your liberty, we are willing to fight in the military and die for our freedom, which he wouldn't be willing to do (ironic, since that freedom gave him the right to act like a weirdo and get the Supreme Court to approve it). Although I did a search on him after I posted and found a follow up story on the plaintiff by some newspaper, and when he moved to Connecticut, he also covered up the part that says "The Constitution State." So maybe he was just a nut.
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Anyone from New Hampshire? Do JWs object to the license plate??
by Chaserious ini happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wooley_v._maynard.
"george maynard and his wife, followers of the jehovah's witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [live free or die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles.".
it appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto!
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I happened to come across this case today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooley_v._Maynard
" George Maynard and his wife, followers of the Jehovah's Witnesses faith, viewed the motto as repugnant to their moral, religious, and political beliefs, and for this reason they covered up the motto [Live Free or Die] on the license plates of their jointly owned family automobiles."
It appears this guy kept getting fined by the local cops for covering up the license plate motto! I'm not from anywhere near NH, and also this happened back in the 1970's, but I never heard of anything like this. Was this an official witness rule? Or was this guy just one of those whack-a-doodles that every congregation has a couple of who make up their own rules that are even more restrictive than the WTS rules, and say it's because they are witnesses? Seems pretty bizarre. Are there other state mottos that are "worldly"? Turns out the Supreme Court said he could cover it up if he wanted without getting fined