If they are to do anything other than placing a note in your file, it will probably require the testimony of your mother. She would make two witnesses, but I'm not sure if it would count. She wasn't a witness to you not getting baptized, but to the fact that this was not a recently fabricated story to get out of the DF. Without that I suspect they will say the time to raise this issue was at your committee, if not earlier.
Chaserious
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Disfellowshipped and never baptized
by zed is dead ini have a weird situation .
.. i was a born-in, and ended up dfed in middle age.
the only thing is, i had a dirty little secret, that i would like to get rectified.
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Anybody at an assembly right now?
by OneDayillBeFree ini know this is a long shot and my identity as a witness is certainly at stake but anyone at a circuit assembly right now who is mentally out/disfellowshipped/faded who'd like to meet up?.
i can't disclose the location but i'm curious though.
i mean i know that there are assemblies and conventions all year long so i'm pretty sure there's more than one going on now but i'm extremely bored and annoyed and can barely keep from showing my anger at hipocresy and lies that are being said on the platform!
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Chaserious
What? Being with Jehovah's Happy People ™ isn't enough for you? Ingrate.. lol. At our last SAD (a fitting acronym, if there ever was one) my wife and I got there an hour and a half late, sat through the baptism talk, had lunch with some people we liked, and then spent most of the afternoon session having coffee at the restaurant across the street. I couldn't have survived it otherwise.
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Disfellowshipped and never baptized
by zed is dead ini have a weird situation .
.. i was a born-in, and ended up dfed in middle age.
the only thing is, i had a dirty little secret, that i would like to get rectified.
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Chaserious
Well, if your aim is to have your family talk to you, maybe you can write a letter to the elders and let your family know and depending how hardcore your family is perhaps they will go along with it. If you think they are going to make a public announcement that your DF is rescinded or even privately tell anyone that it's OK to associate with you I suspect you are in for disappointment. Certainly they won't put anythng in writing, either.
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They want it both ways
by jeremiah18:5-10 inseveral years ago the wts stopped announcing individuals who were df'd as, "so-and-so has been disfellowshipped" and instead began announcing, "so-and-so is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses".
this seems to be rather important to me.
undoubtedly this change was fueled by legal issues raised by someone who was df'd and impacted in some way perhaps financially.
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Chaserious
It's in the Shepherd the Flock book , p. 112, par 4: "The announcement should be as follows: [Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." No scripture is cited. Of course it is for legal reasons, and of course they want to have it both ways.
This is one of the many cases of double speak that exists in the Watchtower. The announcement just says no longer a witness, but in the literature, especially the study literature designed for those who are already members, it will use "disfellowshipped" and "disassociated" all the time. They are programmed to know that the announcement equals one of those statuses. It also allows them to assert in court or in legal documents that they never announced that someone was "disfellowshipped" or even implied that they engaged in bad conduct, since you can't tell from the announcement if maybe the person just decided to pack up and leave. The juicy details will be saved for the congregation gossip.
Of course there is no scripture that merely says because someone decides to leave you have to shun them. This is no matter, however. They have been teaching that you have to shun DA's since the early 80's, even before the announcement change. So they didn't even have to try and back it up scripturally when they changed the announcement.
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January 2013 warns parents to resist contact with df'd children again
by stuckinlimbo insee page 15-16. full of "straw men" like:.
* do not blame yourself it is the child that jehovah blames - parents do not care whose fault it is they just want their child not to be killed by god.
* it is ok for parents to hope their df'd child returns - was anybody really asking if that was wrong?.
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Chaserious
Problemaddict:
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. -2 John 1:10.
Hope your kids see the light. Do you think they'll want to get baptized when of age?
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Be Careful, Demons are in EVERYTHING!
by TeenageInsider inmy parents always says that demons are everywhere!
it's getting quite annoying!
they claims demons are in smurfs?
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Chaserious
My mom was kind of like that. She thought that most wordly music was demonized. When I was a kid she made me destroy a Nirvana CD that she found in my room. She listened to some of it and concluded that it was demonic. Made me break it myself and throw it in the trash. I also had to break some other CDs at times. She also thought that there were a lot of underground demonic cults that used to get their messages from playing records backwards and hearing hidden messages. I think KISS and Black Sabbath were the ones that were supposed to be the main culprits. I guess Satan and his demons weren't smart enough to prevent the technology switch away from vinyl records that must have foiled their communication with followers.
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Amway
by enigma1863 ini was curious, how many jws end up getting caught up in pyramid scemes like amway.
i was caught up in there online program quixstar for a little while several years ago.
i noticed there are several similarities between amway and a cult..
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Chaserious
Selling the product that way does not create more profitability for the manufacturers; it creates more profitability for people in the sales channel. Dateline (linked below) got an Amway higher up to admit that some of their elite distributors make over 75% of their income, not from selling these supposedly great products, but from the motivation business: " Seminars, rallies, functions, motivational tools, tapes, books, speaking engagements, appearances." They are basically making money selling the motivation product to their own salespeople. You demonize working for someone else, but with the rate of success that seems common from all accounts, if you have the killer work ethic you are describing and don't mind making no money for a few years, you might as well go work in the mailroom of some large corporation. Maybe you'll eventually get promoted to VP of something and make 7 figures. And at least in the early years you'll have health coverage and won't have to pay lot of money to your own company for them to train you.
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Amway
by enigma1863 ini was curious, how many jws end up getting caught up in pyramid scemes like amway.
i was caught up in there online program quixstar for a little while several years ago.
i noticed there are several similarities between amway and a cult..
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Chaserious
Since these are the best businesses on earth, CyberJesus, why can't the products compete with other products on the free market and be sold in stores and on the internet? That way, both the manufacturer and the customer would be better served. Neither would have to subsidize 6 different salespeople up the sales chain and the product could be less expensive for the consumer, yet still yield more profit for the manufacturer. And don't cite a car salesman example again. Most consumers want someone to help them pick out something that is going to cost 6 months salary or more. Vitamins and cleaning products are not comparable.
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What are the WT Society's expenditures?
by Apognophos ini'm hoping someone who has at least a little inside knowledge can help educate me here.
what sort of things does the wbts pay for, on a worldwide basis?.
- i understand that khs are owned and funded locally, at least where the locals can afford them, but what about in poor areas?.
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Chaserious
Haha - yes jgnat, we seem to pride ourselves on going big or going home here in the U.S. of A. Even if we're going big with someone else's money!
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What are the WT Society's expenditures?
by Apognophos ini'm hoping someone who has at least a little inside knowledge can help educate me here.
what sort of things does the wbts pay for, on a worldwide basis?.
- i understand that khs are owned and funded locally, at least where the locals can afford them, but what about in poor areas?.
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Chaserious
One other thing I thought of - There used to be an investment vehicle called Auction Rate Securities (ARS) that was promoted by investment banks and money managers to their clients as basically as safe as a money market account. It was seen as a short term investment vehicle that paid a little more than a money market. Huge investors in ARS included entities that you wouldn't think of as making risky investments, such as universities, pension funds, hospitals, and municipalities. At the beginning of 2008, there was $330 Billion in ARS in the US. And in February 2008, poof, the entire market collapsed. I would not be surprised at all (or even consider it irresponsible on their part) if they had tens or even hundreds of millions parked in ARS. They are a perfect investor for that kind of instrument.