Interesting stuff, Balaamsass. I wonder if they keep files associating people's real names with their websites/usernames in the case of those DF'd/DA'd who don't try to hide their identities. It wouldn't surprise me. Dubs love to keep files on everything.
Chaserious
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Why has the WT not tried to shut down this board?
by hamsterbait inwe all know that beth hell monitors this site.. they have repeatedly had sites shut down for quoting large portions of their litterature.
not this one.. do you think this board enables them to keep a finger on the pulse of what is going on in ex and aposto land?
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Publishers Need A Background Check Before Moving To My Kingdom Hall.
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background check first.. .
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How desperate their parents acted by calling the circuit overseer and bethel elders in NY
You're not trying hard enough to sound authentic anymore, Aunt Connie. I score your most recent post a 4/10. The original one was a 6.5/10. If any parent has ever called Bethel because their child was not invited to a party, I'm the Queen of England. You need to step up your game.
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Jw.Org - Create An Account. Anyone?
by FadeToBlack inanyone give this a try?
i was looking at the site for the new light (about gb=fds) when i noticed the 'login' option.
also didn't see any 'search' option available.
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Well then I stand corrected. I hadn't tried to open one. I doubt you are going to have access to additional features though. But keep up posted.
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Watchtower softens position on Jehovah' Witnesses and blood transfusions? Canadian National Post Story.
by Balaamsass inwithout fanfare, jehovahs witnesses quietly soften position on blood transfusionstom blackwell, national post staff | dec 20, 2012 9:59 pm et.
more from national post staff.
calgary herald/fileslawrence hughes broke with the witnesses, and the rest of his own family, when it tried to prevent his teenage daughter, bethany, who died in 2002, from receiving a blood transfusion while being treated for cancer.twittergoogle+linkedinemailcommentsmoretumblrpinterestredditdiggfarkitstumbleuponfor years, the jehovahs witnesses fiercely held belief that blood transfusions are contrary to gods will led to emotional and very public disputes, hospitals clashing with parents over whether to infuse sick children.. that long history of messy legal confrontations appears to be vanishing, however, amid changing approaches to the issue on both sides, health-care officials say.. the churchs ban on accepting blood still stands, but some major pediatric hospitals have begun officially acknowledging the parents unorthodox beliefs, while many jehovahs witnesses are signing letters recognizing that doctors may sometimes feel obliged to transfuse, they say.. as institutions show more respect toward parents faith and try harder not to use blood, witnesses often seem eager to avoid involving child-welfare authorities to facilitate transfusions, and more accepting that canadian case law is firmly on the doctors side, some hospital officials say.. they get it that were going to transfuse where its medically necessary.
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why bother litigating a case in which in the end it appears the Witnesses will most likely lose?
This was not the Watchtower position in the past, so it is a change. They are not litigating because it's an embarrassment to the Watchtower and the parents that they would let their children die over this nonsense. When I was young, they printed articles in the literature likening a blood transfusion to rape and implying that it would be proper for a child who had a blood transfusion forced on her to scream and protest and pull the tubes out of her arms.
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Jw.Org - Create An Account. Anyone?
by FadeToBlack inanyone give this a try?
i was looking at the site for the new light (about gb=fds) when i noticed the 'login' option.
also didn't see any 'search' option available.
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Chaserious
I don't think you can just create an account. They allow various accounts for different brothers with responsibilities now, like accounting duties, turning in field service records and all. They also have a feature where authorized users can view the names of the COBE and secretary for any congregation.
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In all US states, the Courts do NOT require two witnesses or even corroborating evidence in child sex abuse cases
by yadda yadda 2 inpages 433-437 inter alia, of the book "myers on evidence in child, domestic or elder abuse cases" fourth edition refers.. you can view this very informative material at google books.
this shows how the watchtower's strict interpretation of the biblical two-witness rule is very much out of harmony with the modern legal system in matters of child sex abuse.
j.r. brown, watchtower spokesman, is reported by the associated press on february 11, 2001 to have said:"...corroborating evidence can be used instead of a second witness to prove wrongdoing.
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children within the community are more unlikely to be exposed to anything sexual as a general rule than maybe other children
I remember there being a lot of talks in the KH about masturbation, homosexuality, porneia, harlots, concubines, fornication and adultery. Maybe this is true overall, however. It's an interesting point, you make, ItsMyLife.
Not all false accusations are made by toddlers, though. Sometimes accusations made years later by teens or adults are fabricated for various reasons, such as financial gain. I imagine they are tough cases to deal with since physical evidence or witnesses are unlikely to exist, but it's understandable why victims might surpress what happened for so long.
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Why has the WT not tried to shut down this board?
by hamsterbait inwe all know that beth hell monitors this site.. they have repeatedly had sites shut down for quoting large portions of their litterature.
not this one.. do you think this board enables them to keep a finger on the pulse of what is going on in ex and aposto land?
hb.
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There are apologists who sincerely (I think) try to refute everything, from the UN issue to the false prophesies to the misquotes to the pseudo-science, to the child abuse policies and everything else. I don't doubt that some at Bethel could read everything here and still think they're right. I'm sure if they do assign anyone to the task, they choose them very carefully. Probably not only the most highly indocrinated, but those who would have the most to lose by leaving.
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In all US states, the Courts do NOT require two witnesses or even corroborating evidence in child sex abuse cases
by yadda yadda 2 inpages 433-437 inter alia, of the book "myers on evidence in child, domestic or elder abuse cases" fourth edition refers.. you can view this very informative material at google books.
this shows how the watchtower's strict interpretation of the biblical two-witness rule is very much out of harmony with the modern legal system in matters of child sex abuse.
j.r. brown, watchtower spokesman, is reported by the associated press on february 11, 2001 to have said:"...corroborating evidence can be used instead of a second witness to prove wrongdoing.
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Courts don't require two witnesses, but you are more likely to get a conviction with multiple witnesses, or one witness and some physical evidence. Studies have shown that false accusations of child molestation represent about 10% of all accusations. So I would rather require more evidence than just the accuser's word than take a 10% chance that an innocent person's life is being destroyed. There have been a number of cases where the parent is paranoid that their child has been abused and they basically coach the child as to what to say, believing they are doing the right thing. With that said, requiring that the extra evidence be two witnesses is plain stupid.
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JWs say it's my fault I didn't go to university ?!
by ekruks inlike many on here, as a jw trying hard to follow the direction of the gb, i listened to the advice to pioneer and trust in jehovah to provide (mat6.33) instead of going to university.
after struggling for ages in low-paid physically-demanding jobs, i decided to become a student (thanks for the encouragement on here guys!).
i tell a jw i wish i had been to university when i was a teenager, and put all that pioneer time into studying hard for a good grade, get a good job, and if i had wound up tired as i am now, at least i would have been paying into a mortgage on a home and pension.
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Yes, Losch said there was a young man who had OCD and was so disturbed by it that he put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. However, not only did he live, but the bullet changed the part of his brain that controlled the OCD, so that he no longer had it. The point is that because he survived it and was normal, would we recommend that treatment to other people with OCD? Similarly, just because some witnesses have gone to college and remained "in the truth" doesn't mean we should recommend it.
AM3 also gave a talk saying we are pro-education - we are just selective about who does the educating. lol... He also warned that no matter what you major in they force you to take "Philosophy 1 and Philosophy 2" and "then all of a sudden it gets in there and the intellectual gripping of the mind, very hard to recover from," and that he could tell you all kinds of "horror stories" about this kind of thing. After all, only the GB should teach you how to think, not your philosophy class. If anyone is going to be doing "gripping of the mind", it's got to be the GB!
Edit: I see you added the Losch video, excuse my summary. Here is the link to the AM3 video:
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JWs say it's my fault I didn't go to university ?!
by ekruks inlike many on here, as a jw trying hard to follow the direction of the gb, i listened to the advice to pioneer and trust in jehovah to provide (mat6.33) instead of going to university.
after struggling for ages in low-paid physically-demanding jobs, i decided to become a student (thanks for the encouragement on here guys!).
i tell a jw i wish i had been to university when i was a teenager, and put all that pioneer time into studying hard for a good grade, get a good job, and if i had wound up tired as i am now, at least i would have been paying into a mortgage on a home and pension.
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I mean you did chose not to go to college. Their influence cannot be denied, but YOU made the choice not to go.
I tend to take this view of things in my own case as well. I think it's a shame that they hound people decade after decade about not trying to advance in this "dying system," but we all make our choices. I began pioneering when I was 19. I was a mentally competent adult, able to make my own choices in life. Although there is a lot of indoctrination, it was my choice. Sure, it was a waste of thousands of hours of my life that I'd love to have back, but I don't feel that the WTS owes me for my hours or anything like that.
There were a number of others kids in my area who started disappearing from the KH around the time they were 18. Some went to college, some did other things, and I regret not leaving at that age, but ultimately it was my choice, even if a poor one, and even if I was trying to please my parents and other people. I feel like in many cases, the parents are to blame as much as the WTS... maybe not on an issue like blood that is a DF offense, but on issues like education the parent has to have a role in motivating good career choices, since many teenagers aren't inclined to do it themselves. I knew other non-JW kids from my neighborhood who didn't pursue a worthwhile career, not because of being in a cult but because the parents just didn't do their job in encouraging it.