Posts by Chaserious

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Governing Body's Lawyers Unconsciously Driven To Giving Destructive Advice To The Corporation's CEO

by frankiespeakin in

concider:.

they very well could have a repressed loathing for the watchtower and for what it is doing to young children(pedofile and blood issues), families, the old, and even themselves, but because of situation they are in they are forced to suppress it all in the shadow.. so the unconscious(or substitute god for the word unconscious because the unconscious is a far bigger player than ego consciousness), so then the unconscious which according to evolution favors survival and survival of the species is favored even higher i would think, so that at times the unconscious may make a move that trumps ego drives and may lead to an action that puts the "individual" in harms way(kills) but it does so for the good of the larger whole or the "species".

kinda like the mythological one man dying for the whole species of mankind, one example in mythology is jesus christ, among others.. these myths explain many things about what goes on inside a man imo.. more next post.

Chaserious

I think the legal advise has been good so far, but the tide is changing. Juries/judges/people are fet up with legal loopholes and are making decisions accordingly. The WTS Legal NEVER expected the Conti case to go against them siince the perp was not and Elder or MS or Pioneer. HOW could they hold the Organization responsible. Everyone is tired of the legal manipulating regarding child abuse. AND, enough people have been affected, either directly or via a loved one, and thus there is the inclination to "set matters straight". The Conti decision was a real WAKE UP CALL for the WTS. Unfortunately for them, there are 100s more waiting in the wings.

JMHO

Doc

I hope it was a wake up call, but to be honest I think the Conti verdict is going to get overturned on appeal and she is going to walk away with nothing, or at least nothing from the WTS. They didn't expect the case to go against them because this kind of case never gets decided against the religious organization. If as a lawyer, you give your client advice to try the case instead of settling (and as I understand it, Conti didn't want to settle anyway, so really the lawyers had no choice but to go to trial) because there is a 99% chance of winning and a 1% chance of losing, and you are the 1% that loses, it doesn't mean you gave you client bad advice. The real cost is the bad publicity, not the $28 Mil, since I don't think they are going to end up paying it, and even if they do it's a drop in the bucket compared to all the real estate they're liquidating.

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Flag Salute Letter

by Bangalore in

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flag salute letter.. .

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bangalore.

Chaserious

Cool. I bet he didn't know this letter would lead all the way to the Supreme Court when he wrote it.

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Governing Body's Lawyers Unconsciously Driven To Giving Destructive Advice To The Corporation's CEO

by frankiespeakin in

concider:.

they very well could have a repressed loathing for the watchtower and for what it is doing to young children(pedofile and blood issues), families, the old, and even themselves, but because of situation they are in they are forced to suppress it all in the shadow.. so the unconscious(or substitute god for the word unconscious because the unconscious is a far bigger player than ego consciousness), so then the unconscious which according to evolution favors survival and survival of the species is favored even higher i would think, so that at times the unconscious may make a move that trumps ego drives and may lead to an action that puts the "individual" in harms way(kills) but it does so for the good of the larger whole or the "species".

kinda like the mythological one man dying for the whole species of mankind, one example in mythology is jesus christ, among others.. these myths explain many things about what goes on inside a man imo.. more next post.

Chaserious

Yeah... I don't think this is going to happen. People become lawyers because they are good at disassociating this stuff and zealously representing their clients. And if they aren't, they learn it, or they are forced out of being in that kind of situation. Do criminal defense lawyers who know their client committed the crime unconsciously give their clients bad advice so they end up getting convicted, since it's for the "greater good" to have that person in jail? Doubt it.

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WHY is Jehovah so broke with all this cash flow??? Millions in real estate profits....where is the money???

by Balaamsass in

a witness to the future as watchtower buys land upstate.

by evan gardner the brooklyn paper.

the brooklyn paper / gregory p. mango.

Chaserious

They are still asking for money because just like any other business, future viability comes from regular income and cash flow, not sitting on stockpiles of assets or cash. They know how to run a business and if contributions are down, they are sure as hell going to try to get them back up, billions in assets or not.

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Was There Ever A Circuit Overseer That You Couldn't Stand?

by minimus in

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i know this has been discussed before but i think a fresh thread on this will be enjoyable.

Chaserious

Present Truth - I really was pretty sure they were older than that. I was in a congregation with his son as recently as 5 years ago, and the son was in his 70's then. Maybe I have the ages mixed up somehow... if so, sorry about that.

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Was There Ever A Circuit Overseer That You Couldn't Stand?

by minimus in

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i know this has been discussed before but i think a fresh thread on this will be enjoyable.

Chaserious

Present Truth - I am pretty sure Rosie passed away also. I vaguely remember that happening, but I really only knew them as a child, and these things kind of fade over time. I am pretty sure they would be over 100 now if still alive. Chet Ruch was the School Overseer when I gave my first #2 talk as a little kid, and I want to guess he was about 80 then, and that was 1987 - 25 years ago. I remember him being intimidating as a school overseer. This was when they would give you counsel from the platform if you didn't do a good job on the counsel point you were working on. If I recall correctly, he wasn't afraid to give out W's. The other thing I remember about him is people used to say he was one of the few circuit overseers who had kids, and I think he liked to promote the idea that the society wanted him to be a CO so badly, they waited until his kids were grown and then sent him out. He also sent his son to college, which was before my time, but I have to think was pretty taboo in the 50's. I guess if you were connected, you could get away with it.

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Was There Ever A Circuit Overseer That You Couldn't Stand?

by minimus in

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i know this has been discussed before but i think a fresh thread on this will be enjoyable.

Chaserious

Present Truth - I was in a congregation with him a while back, as well as congregations with other members of his family. He was in a regular congregation after he got too old to be a CO. He passed away a number of years ago, I don't remember exactly when, but it was probably not long after people were posting that he was sick.

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Contributions For Local KH VS. World Wide Work

by turtleturtle in

seriously, if i am going to stay a jw for now, is there anything wrong with donating all for local kindom hall purposes, and simply not donate to the world wide work (wt)?

i mean, won't the local money just go to the kingdom hall expenses (among some other expenses)?

i'm telling you right now, the wt ain't getting my $ until things change!.

Chaserious

I was an accounts servant for two congregations. One of them was "just getting by" and would never have been in a postition to send any money to the WTS. At one point, we had about $400 to our name as a congregation until one of the elders gave a local needs part about being broke. The other congregation did have some surplus that we had "on deposit with the society". As I understood it, it was bascially an interest free loan to the society where we would park our money instead of putting it in a bank CD. We only had a surplus because they did a fund drive for a new KH where they asked people to resolve to commit a certain amount every month, so we raised some money that way, and then the building plans fell through. I think it's fairly rare for local congs these days to build up enough surplus to send $$$ to the society. If they did, they'd have to do a resolution to the congregation, at least they did when I was last accounts servant (circa 2008).

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Have JW's ever called themselves a Church in legal issues ?

by Poztate in

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my wife was watching the news tonight about the bus crash in miami where a few jw's got killed.. she got all hurt and indignant when the jw's were refered to as "a church group".

we are not a church...only true religion...the "truth" etc.

i am sure they have called themselves a church when it fitted their needs.

Chaserious

Here's another court document from the Menlo Park case. Church is used throughout by their lawyers, but for one example, just see the top of p.5

http://ex-jw.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Court-Trial-Testimony-Redwood-City-2.pdf

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The Teaching of Evolution in UK Schools Mandatory

by Joe Grundy in

link to news story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20547195 (sorry, don't know how to make it 'clickable').. i, for one, am glad to see that this has been clarified.

is it the same in the us?.

Chaserious

Thanks James - this is what I don't understand. Given that education is a government-mandated requirement federal or state), how can it incorporate religious beliefs?

Joe - I think that for state-funded schools, the U.S. and U.K. are on the same page. While I don't know much about the U.K. school system, it appears to me that the free schools still are paid for by the government. In schools that are government funded, e.g. all public schools, creationism/intelligent design cannot be taught. I think the difference may be that in the U.S., parents have the right to send their children to private religious schools where the parents pay tuition in order to attend. This was established in a Supreme Court case called Pierce v. Society of Sisters. In that case, basically a state said that to meet our mandatory education requirements you have to go to a public school, and not a religious school. At the time, Catholics were a disfavored minority in the U.S. (and also the main proprietors of religious schools), and the law was seen as anti-Catholic. The state was not allowed to impose such a law under our Constitution. That case is from back in the 1920's, but it's still the law here. So, in the private schools, religious doctrine may be taught as the school sees fit.