Posts by Chaserious

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Is Watchtower $60 million away from liquidation?

by cedars in

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watch this video, posted on jw.org.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jjvxobvi5a.

here is my article in response.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/is-watchtower-60-million-away-from-liquidation.

looking forward to hearing your thoughts!.

Chaserious

I wouldn't read that conclusion into this video. Exact quote: "It could have resulted in the liquidation of the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters." The interviewer also used the word "headquarters" to describe the interviewee's position at the beginning of the video, saying that he was a member of the JW headquarters in France. (Also he used the qualifier "in France" in the same sentence as the liquidation quote). So to me, it seems that when they are using the word "headquarters" in this interview, they are talking about the French branch. Also, as least at the term "liquidation" is used in the U.S., it does not necessarily mean that a business is insolvent, or that external forces are forcing the liquidation. So even if the France branch would have liquidated had they not won the case, it does not automatically follow that even the France branch is $60 Million from being broke (if the term is being used in the same sense as it would in the U.S.)

By means of example, Widget Co, Inc. might be a U.S. business with a French subsidiary making widgets locally in France. If the parent doesn't think it's a good idea to run the subsidiary long-term, it can liquidate the business, even if not in danger of becoming insolvent. It would then sell all of the land, buildings and equipment owned by the subsidiary, and might even turn a large profit on the liquidation.

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typical circuit assembly

by nowwhat? in

on the plus side there was good council about families and then there is that special feeling of the brotherhood you get.. on the negative side, the d.o.

gave the "ol talk about the "busier we are, it won't seem like the new world is taking so long" talk.

that's fine if you do'nt work for a living.

Chaserious

About 8 years ago, a Circuit Overseer who was a big hockey fan said in a car group in service that he liked to watch the Stanley Cup playoffs as much as he could every year because he thought it was only a matter of time before the society banned hockey.

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AWAKE! misquote concerning Higher Education

by DATA-DOG in

check it out.

first, the article...... awake!

where can you get the best education?.

Chaserious

dishonesty in journalism

If they are journalists, I'm the King of Mars.

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Any updates on the SPY network at the I.R.S., F.B.I., and other agencies for Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

curious, with almost 25,000 members here.

network of j.w.

does anyone have any up to date info on the status of the volunteer "spies"?.

Chaserious

Just a question on the original premise of this post, since it's my first time coming across it. Don't you think they would be wary of maintaining a large network of "contacts" for fear of it coming out, especially in light of increasingly strict privacy laws and high-tech employee monitoring policies? They are obviously aware of the number of people who leave or fade annually, as well of publishers who appear to be loyal yet post on "apostate" websites and all. All it would take is one disillusioned person to blow the whistle and you could potentially have multiple people at HQ charged with a criminal conspiracy to violate privacy laws. Especially if they were to reach out to "contacts"; meaning that they need someone for whatever reason inside a certain organization and were to somehow contact a witness working there and ask for information. That seems especially dangerous, as compared to getting unsolicited tips from someone who wanted to be loyal. Just curious what others think.

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They want it both ways

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

several years ago the wts stopped announcing individuals who were df'd as, "so-and-so has been disfellowshipped" and instead began announcing, "so-and-so is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses".

this seems to be rather important to me.

undoubtedly this change was fueled by legal issues raised by someone who was df'd and impacted in some way perhaps financially.

Chaserious

Dave, if there is a SCOTUS case on shunning, can you please cite the name? I do not believe they have taken a shunning/excommunication case. The most prominent federal case on this topic that I am aware of is Paul v. Watchtower. There are also a number of state court decisions on church discipline that I know of. I would also quibble with the assertion that "most religions" excommunicate. Hindus, Buddists, Jews, and Sikhs do not. And excommunication is quite rare among mainstream American Protestant denominations.

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Disfellowshipped and never baptized

by zed is dead in

i have a weird situation .

.. i was a born-in, and ended up dfed in middle age.

the only thing is, i had a dirty little secret, that i would like to get rectified.

Chaserious

If they are to do anything other than placing a note in your file, it will probably require the testimony of your mother. She would make two witnesses, but I'm not sure if it would count. She wasn't a witness to you not getting baptized, but to the fact that this was not a recently fabricated story to get out of the DF. Without that I suspect they will say the time to raise this issue was at your committee, if not earlier.

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Anybody at an assembly right now?

by OneDayillBeFree in

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i know this is a long shot and my identity as a witness is certainly at stake but anyone at a circuit assembly right now who is mentally out/disfellowshipped/faded who'd like to meet up?.

i can't disclose the location but i'm curious though.

i mean i know that there are assemblies and conventions all year long so i'm pretty sure there's more than one going on now but i'm extremely bored and annoyed and can barely keep from showing my anger at hipocresy and lies that are being said on the platform!

Chaserious

What? Being with Jehovah's Happy People ™ isn't enough for you? Ingrate.. lol. At our last SAD (a fitting acronym, if there ever was one) my wife and I got there an hour and a half late, sat through the baptism talk, had lunch with some people we liked, and then spent most of the afternoon session having coffee at the restaurant across the street. I couldn't have survived it otherwise.

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Disfellowshipped and never baptized

by zed is dead in

i have a weird situation .

.. i was a born-in, and ended up dfed in middle age.

the only thing is, i had a dirty little secret, that i would like to get rectified.

Chaserious

Well, if your aim is to have your family talk to you, maybe you can write a letter to the elders and let your family know and depending how hardcore your family is perhaps they will go along with it. If you think they are going to make a public announcement that your DF is rescinded or even privately tell anyone that it's OK to associate with you I suspect you are in for disappointment. Certainly they won't put anythng in writing, either.

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They want it both ways

by jeremiah18:5-10 in

several years ago the wts stopped announcing individuals who were df'd as, "so-and-so has been disfellowshipped" and instead began announcing, "so-and-so is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses".

this seems to be rather important to me.

undoubtedly this change was fueled by legal issues raised by someone who was df'd and impacted in some way perhaps financially.

Chaserious

It's in the Shepherd the Flock book , p. 112, par 4: "The announcement should be as follows: [Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." No scripture is cited. Of course it is for legal reasons, and of course they want to have it both ways.

This is one of the many cases of double speak that exists in the Watchtower. The announcement just says no longer a witness, but in the literature, especially the study literature designed for those who are already members, it will use "disfellowshipped" and "disassociated" all the time. They are programmed to know that the announcement equals one of those statuses. It also allows them to assert in court or in legal documents that they never announced that someone was "disfellowshipped" or even implied that they engaged in bad conduct, since you can't tell from the announcement if maybe the person just decided to pack up and leave. The juicy details will be saved for the congregation gossip.

Of course there is no scripture that merely says because someone decides to leave you have to shun them. This is no matter, however. They have been teaching that you have to shun DA's since the early 80's, even before the announcement change. So they didn't even have to try and back it up scripturally when they changed the announcement.

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January 2013 warns parents to resist contact with df'd children again

by stuckinlimbo in

see page 15-16. full of "straw men" like:.

* do not blame yourself it is the child that jehovah blames - parents do not care whose fault it is they just want their child not to be killed by god.

* it is ok for parents to hope their df'd child returns - was anybody really asking if that was wrong?.

Chaserious

Problemaddict:

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. -2 John 1:10.

Hope your kids see the light. Do you think they'll want to get baptized when of age?