Chaserious

Joined

• started 12 topics
• posted 790 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Chaserious

• 
  30

  Noah's Ark and I'm a dumbass

  by new22day in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  walking down memory lane today and recalled a convo with my ex about noah's ark.

  (i made all the rookie mistakes when talking to my ex about jw stuff -sigh.

  ) i think i said something like 'if you believe in noah's ark take the cat and a mouse from the backyard for a drive around the block and let me know how it goes.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  Asking questions and introducing new information while ignoring answers is Perry's M.O. on this site. That's why I won't try to engage him any more.
• 
  47

  Should Employers be WARNED about Jehovahs Witnesses

  by BlindersOff1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any gov agency or private company that has private personal info of customers/clients should be aware.

  its common knowledge to long time witnesses that jws will violate customer privacy laws and rules when they see something a customer does or buys that they think jw congregation elders should know about .

  thats right they will spy for the elders.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  Also, the federal law against discrimination in employment only applies to employers of 15 people or more, for precisely the reasons we have been discussing. Almost every JW business I knew of fell into that category. Some states have their own laws where you might be able to do something if the discrimination is blatant, even for a small employer. So if it was a business of 15 or more, asking how active someone is, even of the referring person, would probably be enough to make a case, if the referring person is willing to cooperate, of course.
• 
  47

  Should Employers be WARNED about Jehovahs Witnesses

  by BlindersOff1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any gov agency or private company that has private personal info of customers/clients should be aware.

  its common knowledge to long time witnesses that jws will violate customer privacy laws and rules when they see something a customer does or buys that they think jw congregation elders should know about .

  thats right they will spy for the elders.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  the Watchtower requires Jehovah's Witnesses in terms of violating confidentiality to the elders of the religion.

  I don't think this is correct. Isn't it a "conscience matter"?

  The effect is the same. That's the important thing

  Given that this technique is used by certain religions as a loophole to get around laws that other Americans are forced to follow, it should be illegal

  I don't agree. Small businesses have a lot of leeway as to who they hire, and I think there are compelling arguments why it should be that way. First of all, it's not used by the religions themselves as a loophole; it's used by members of the religions. As far as I know, there is no WT direction that if a JW owns a business, they should only hire other JWs. Some just choose to do that, and I have known of JWs who employed non-JWs.

  Let's say John Doe wants to follow the American Dream and start a business. Maybe a restuaurant. To start off with, he hires his wife, his sons, his sister, and his cousins. It's a family business. Being from the same family, they are all Catholic. Imagine that the business does well, and John decides to hire a couple of his son's friends from school as waiters. Since the sons went to Catholic high school, the friends happen to be Catholic also. He may not want to place a newspaper or internet ad but hire his family and family friends that he thinks he can trust. Are you telling me that you would force a business owner like this to hire someone that he doesn't know just so he has a religiously diversified staff? I am sure this kind of thing happens all over the US in small businesses. People like to hire their friends and family, and religious people often have most of their friends and family in the same religions as them.

  It's a dangerous road you want to go down. The effect being the same is not a good reason. That is not what laws are based on. Lots of jobs in small businesses are off limits to lots of people. Go to any family owned dry cleaners or gas station or barber shop or law firm or convenience store and see if you can get a job there. Now if someone got fired because they got DF'd, like someone else mentioned, that would be a problem and they should make a stink about it. Asking how active somebody is in the ministry in a job interview is probably over the line too and could be a problem if the person wanted to pursue it.
• 
  47

  Should Employers be WARNED about Jehovahs Witnesses

  by BlindersOff1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any gov agency or private company that has private personal info of customers/clients should be aware.

  its common knowledge to long time witnesses that jws will violate customer privacy laws and rules when they see something a customer does or buys that they think jw congregation elders should know about .

  thats right they will spy for the elders.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  In the US, whether they sign an agreement or not, people who disclose protected health information knowingly can be fined $50,000 and face up to a year in prison. The government has to enforce it, not ther person whose information was made public. I really doubt many JWs in the medical field are tattling on other JWs under the modern privacy regime, regardless of what a Watchtower said in the 60's or 70's.
• 
  47

  Should Employers be WARNED about Jehovahs Witnesses

  by BlindersOff1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any gov agency or private company that has private personal info of customers/clients should be aware.

  its common knowledge to long time witnesses that jws will violate customer privacy laws and rules when they see something a customer does or buys that they think jw congregation elders should know about .

  thats right they will spy for the elders.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  Given that JW employers are allowed to massively discriminate against worldly people in employment, why shouldn't worldly people be allowed to balance

  things out by discriminating in favor of worldly people?

  You've said this several times in this thread, but it's not correct. You seem to be referring to JW owned companies that only hire other witnesses. Mormons and other insular type religions have small business owners that do this too. In reality, what they are doing is hiring from their circle of friends and acquaintences and people their friends and acquaintences reccommend. Because all of their friends are JWs, you can't really separate the two. And it's not illegal to hire only people you know that you or have a mutual friend with. Now if they advertized the job and had a lot of people come in to interview and only hire the JWs, because they are JWs, that would be illegal. But I never knew any JW owned business to do that. When they want to hire someone, they just put the word out. They don't put it on monster.com

  On the other hand, I don't even know how you would implement what you are suggesting about warning employers, if one could get past how offensive it is. It is illegal to ask someone what religion they belong to in employment applications or interviews. So how would they even know? If anyone asked me what religion I belonged to on a job interview, I would walk out of the interview immediately and report them.
• 
  4

  Can one sue the WT for Defamation, not hate speech.

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  defamation is communication about a person that tends to.

  hurt the person,s reputation.

  defamation is a strict liability tort,.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  Yes - if the WT prints your name in their literature and makes specific false statements about you, you should go see a lawyer. Olin Moyle did it. Otherwise I wouldn't waste my time.
• 
  10

  200 Billion WT Corporation gives all Members Vote, then Distributes all Money to Members

  by villagegirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the plan: the wt corp turns 200 billion dollar $ assets, property, stock, investment, into cash, then sends a check to every member, men women and baptized children.

  these people are 7 million in number and now each get a check for $30,000 x 7 million = $200 billion.

  the governing body quietly leaves town.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  I'll post here when mine shows up. Where does $200 billion come from, btw?
• 
  13

  Canadian Atheists: Religious-freedom Office, WTF!?

  by aposta-Z in

  1. social
  2. current

  this is 50 million of tax payer money that should go somewhere else.. see this is why i as a quebecois want to separate.

  it is beyond a language issue.. .

  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/religious-freedom-office-shows-lack-of-conservative-hidden-agenda/article8822804/ .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  I'm not Canadian, but this doesn't seem like a big deal. Protecting freedom of religion seems like a legitimate role for government, although I understand the concern with whether it will be administered to favor only certain religions. Compare the $5M to the billions that the U.S. Office of Faith-Based Initiatives has spent. Even though it's for humanitarian efforts, it's all funneled through religious groups.
• 
  28

  Has anyone heard anything about Elders being a separate entity and WTS not helping them in court cases legally?

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just heard a rumor and trying to verify it.

  a current jw just told us that the elder's are now a separate entity and that when brought into court hearings and they try to use the 'clergy confidentiality clause' that the wtbt$ backs off and says the elders are their own separate entity.. anyone heard anything like this?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  Thanks for the kind words, Arboles. I'll check out that book!
• 
  28

  Has anyone heard anything about Elders being a separate entity and WTS not helping them in court cases legally?

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just heard a rumor and trying to verify it.

  a current jw just told us that the elder's are now a separate entity and that when brought into court hearings and they try to use the 'clergy confidentiality clause' that the wtbt$ backs off and says the elders are their own separate entity.. anyone heard anything like this?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Chaserious

  Thanks, Arboles. Interesting outcome with the slander lawsuit. I have decided what practice area I'm going into, but since it's somewhat narrow, I'd rather not get more specific publicly than saying that it's within the realm of litigation. The first year was definitely tough, although I think some people blow it out of proportion with how hard it is. I would say that on average, I spent about 20 hours a week reading and studying, in addition to the 15 hours spent in class. However, during periods leading up to finals or before legal writing papers were due, the 20 hours became more like 40-50.

  I do serve on the editing staff of one of the law journals at my school, and actually was fortunate enough to have an article (or a "comment" as they call them when student-written) that I wrote published. It's really not all that glamorous - when you get offered journal or law review membership, most of your time is spent editing, not writing. And even if you do get something published, except in rare cases, hardly anybody will ever read it - it's not like being published in the N.Y. Times or anything!