looking for anyone from the st. cloud congregations (i was in the north one)...or surrounding areas.
oh heck, anyone from minnesota is fine!
Harmony-I come play in the cities pretty much everyweekend...tis so dull in Cloud Town...I am usually at first ave, the quest, the Fine Line, Britts, The Local, in uptown, or just chillin at my friends houses...almost all of them live in the cities now.
Umm Mike Morris, he might sound familar to you all cuz Mike Moriss was the Long Snapper on the Minnesota Vikings for several years, he's retired now, but I am thinking, it's not the same guy you all were talking about...lol
i know i asked this absolutely yonks back, then by the name of celtic, but with so many newcomers here i thought no harm but to ask once again.. how many artists do we have here or working in art related fields including film, music, theatre, environment, gardening, sculpture, graphic design, illustration, fine art, photograpy etc etc?.
what hobbies do you have?
how do you see your future artistic horizons opening up?
I don't why, but for some reason it is comforting to hear about so many of you artists who trash your work, and never share it. Me too!
LOL, moe I totally agree about being open 99% of the time, but not sharing stuff I have written, and then getting rid of it after a while, why do we do that? Hahaha~
what brings a smile to your face?
i cant help but smile when my wife laughs, or when my kids play outside.
i also smile when my boy, who is 15 wants to talk to me.
Everything about my nephew cracks me up, but especially when I get him to make nasty faces at the dinner table.
Seeing people in love...especially really grey haired people who still hold hands, and cuddle, etc.
Watching people fall down...oh wait, these are supposed to be positive, but it still makes me smile.
When I get a REAL letter in the mail...
a born-into-it teenager or maybe someone in their early 20's, gets df'd for an unspecified offence.
later the df'd person protests that df'ing is unscriptural and inhumane, only to be told "you knew the score, you knew what would happen, it's your fault".. but is it?
maybe it might be fairer for a converted person to be df'd for breaking the rules, after all, a converted person has joined the jw's willingly and has therefore accepted the witness rules.
I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you puff, and obviously every situation is going to be different.
I agree under your circumstances, you didn't have a choice...and that just plan sucks. I guess my response was aimed more towards those who got baptized in late teens. While I don't agree with why they did it, by then you have some idea of why you did what you did, and what the rules are. And generally it's not under the pressure of the world is going to end in t-minus 3 months. But when I was 13 I knew what fornication was. I knew why people got Df'd and that they couldn't talk to them anymore. Hell at 12 I remember reading the part about pre-marital sex being bad, and wrong and saying to myself, at 12 mind you, "OH man I am never gonna make it". But then again my situation was different. The world was not going to end, I could make up my mind when I was ready.
Besides, I always thought that as a kid, you wouldn't have died in the tribulation because you hadn't come to a FULL understanding. So it wasn't your fault. Isn't that sort of a catholic thing, that hurry up baptize this kid so they don't burn? I thought JW's didn't want to be like catholics at all and that was why their system was so wonderful...what a load of crap...
a born-into-it teenager or maybe someone in their early 20's, gets df'd for an unspecified offence.
later the df'd person protests that df'ing is unscriptural and inhumane, only to be told "you knew the score, you knew what would happen, it's your fault".. but is it?
maybe it might be fairer for a converted person to be df'd for breaking the rules, after all, a converted person has joined the jw's willingly and has therefore accepted the witness rules.
I agree, that you didn't have a choice. I was born into it and told my whole life it was my choice to make when I was ready--that turned out to be a bunch of crap--and apparantly you can make the WRONG choice, which I did.
I didn't get DF'd because I didn't get baptized, I didn't dissassociate myself because I was associated really. As for the Jesus being baptized at thirty-I USED THAT ALL THE TIME-because I got lots of crap for having not been baptized by my teens.
However, if a born into it gets DF'd they can only be DF'd if they were baptized. So obviously at some point they bought into. Maybe for the wrong reasons, pressure, whatever...but they have the whole series of questions and study before you get baptized, so it was their choice. And even tho it wasn't my choice to be in it, I knew all the rules from the word go. I don't think this person has a valid arguement. Born into it or not, we knew what was considered right and wrong and the consequences for it.
As for my own personal shunning, it's never been out and out, but word as spread I don't go to meetings anymore, and just the other day I saw a lady from my own hall, she looked at me and walked away...not that I much care, I pretended I didn't see her either...hahaha!
Edited by - joannadandy on 17 June 2002 9:43:27
Edited by - joannadandy on 17 June 2002 9:45:12
were you ashamed of being a witness?.
how did you feel about identifing yourself as a jehovahs witness to others?.
i often used to hide it because of the stigma attacthed to it.. was anyone actually proud to be one?
My shame came later. All through school I bought into being proud to be different, and making a stand, and I did...a lot.
Even my first few years of college, I was doing papers on religion, taking religion classes, and being totally open about my faith and answering any and all questions as best I could...that's when it started to degenerate. I couldn't answer all their questions, some things did strike me as odd, or stupid. I knew NOTHING about the orgins of my faith because no one ever talked about it because it wasn't important--yeah right! Over the last few years I just kept my mouth shut. And when people would ask, "well what religion are you"...I would smile and try to blow it off as a joke by saying "well it's one of those whacky ones that everyone hates". And within a few guesses of "mormon, harry krishna, Jehovahs Witness" they got it...
It's hard, I still get uppitty when someone outright attacks Witnesses as a people, rather than an organization. My grievances have always been with the organization, and not the individuals.
However the tide has shifted, now when people tell me "Aren't you a Jehovahs Witness?" I am pretty quick to say "Not anymore" or tell them "I was raised as one yes, but I don't practice anymore"
It is kind of a shame based thing. I think for a lot of zealous christians, people can easily feel ashamed because it's not the norm at the moment to have a strong faith. I don't knock people who do, I find them hard to relate to now, but I admire what they do, because I did it for a long time, and it's hard work.
Edited by - joannadandy on 17 June 2002 9:38:11
i know i asked this absolutely yonks back, then by the name of celtic, but with so many newcomers here i thought no harm but to ask once again.. how many artists do we have here or working in art related fields including film, music, theatre, environment, gardening, sculpture, graphic design, illustration, fine art, photograpy etc etc?.
what hobbies do you have?
how do you see your future artistic horizons opening up?
As far as art goes, and life in general for that matter, I will try anything once.
Right now I work in advertising part-time. It's not nearly as cool as it sounds, I am really just a sign monkey. I pretty much create all the signs, banners, promotional stuff. (All using graphic design programs, digital camera, design software, etc.)
As far as hobbies go, I write short stories, poems, wrote one play (sucked), paint (oil and watercolor), draw, (ink, carcoal, pencil, pastel), quilted a few times (stuff turned out really really cool but I didn't have the time to do more), I cook like a mo fo, (that's a good thing), and used to do some photography, but my cool camera got stolen and I haven't replaced it yet, I just have a crappy little thing now. Future Horizions--who knows...I'll probably putter with stuff all my life, nothing serious tho.
I also used to be in all sorts of plays, and stuff in high school. Last semester I was in a performance group, it was pretty fun. I am pondering doing it again this year. It's called Players, and they do a theme, write their own pieces, and then perform them as a group. It's cool, but the next theme they are doing is Religion--I might be too emotional to participate.
As far as art therepy goes I think it's a great idea for ANYONE. Doing performance stuff like Players really illustrated that to me. At first I was totally against it, "it's not real acting", "what a bunch of freaky hippies, art farty freaks." etc. But you really do dig deep, and find some stuff out about yourself you didn't even know existed. But I also thing other types of art therepy are just as relevant and helpful.
As far as themes go: Family, Obedience, Love, God, Disapointment, Loss...you name it, it could be used as a theme.
As for the the last question...about performance, I'm not sure I get it...s'plain more please
i was sitting in my swing looking at the clouds, trees, birds, etc, and thought, what if there was nothing at all everywhere, no god, no space, nothing material or any deminsion, just plain nothing.
no space, light, sound, universe, life, thought........ am i going nuts?
ken p.
yes...but have a fun trip, send me a postcard!
i just got done reading the thread on birthdays...it was very well written.
i especially liked the part about being careful not to have a narrow joyless existance.. today is fathers day.
i had several people ask me what i was getting my dad, and i replied, nothing, this isn't because i don't love him.
A talking to? Wild!
When it was my parents 25th anniversary...the whole congregation threw them a party. It was a pretty common occurance actually...I guess it's another one of those things where it is up to the individuals conscience.
Jim glad you had a good time!
Edited by - joannadandy on 16 June 2002 22:37:53
ok, ladies and gents, mostly americans... .
tell me : what did i do wrong ?
i tried for the first time in my life to make fried chicken .
some stickage to the panage is bound to happen, maybe you left them too long on one side, and the oil was too hot?
