Posts by megaboy

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VETTING your source of information (or, how Conspiracy Theories are transmitted)

by Terry in

i'm not black but i grew up in a black neighborhood.. well--wait!

that's not exactly correct.

i grew up in what was called a "colored".

megaboy

Actually, there was a time where "conspirasy theory" was a normal part of research.

The term was respun by the media almost similar to JWs, where they tell you don't believe anything but from sources they media propagates as "official". So really anyone can behave as a JWs, a cult can be anything, it doesn't matter how many followers it has as long as it takes away critical thinking skills.

So really its an individual's responsibility to look into everything critically, and not just listen to someone who comes to their own conclusions with no sources.

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Christians Know Who God Is

by Loi_241 in

many of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.

you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.

the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.

megaboy

Seems someone was questioning what I had said about Tyre. My point still stands, Tyre was an Edomite territory, infact Phoenicia in it self was heavily influenced by Edomites (Red people), though it had some shared residence with other nations like some Israelites. You can look into Phonecian records if you want, even Josephus mentions they have record of it. There are ancient receipts showing Tyre being under Babylonian influence as well.

Because of what I mentioned early, Tyre was also used interchangably with edom referring to race. Its hard to trace edomites because they would run from kingdom to kingdom, gain influence and rot it from the inside out until they were able to control it as a race.

Also, I want to bring up to anyone how dangerous it is to assume that a location that has people in it today are the original or that the place is the exact location.

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Handwriting study finds clues to when Bible texts were written.

by James Mixon in

abcnews.

"heading "handwriting study finds clues to when bible texts were written".. the finding contribute to a longstanding debate about when biblical text first began.

to be compiled: did it take place before or after the babylonian siege and destruction.

megaboy

I seriously doubt the scribes made the creation story to justify the shabbat when they didn't even know its true meaning. They took pride in the practice, but not the actual meaning of the rest. And the Laws of Moses was actually not something to be proud of needing to get, Israel was totally botched coming out of Egypt and needed to be forced into a contract that would hopefully guide them into being just in heart and spread it to other nations.

The ancient language was written pictorally, so even with that, there are meanings within meanings. For example, Abraham's name is Strength Leader of Waters.

Daniel is very doubtful to be a forgery, it attempts to trace a nationality of wicked rule to the end times. I've been studying frantically to make sure it's the family of man I think it is, it seems right on the money.

The problem is, when the bad guy gets a hold of the story that tells him he is the bad guy, when he thinks he's the good guy, will he be able to properly determine the story?

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Christians Know Who God Is

by Loi_241 in

many of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.

you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.

the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.

megaboy

For those confused by the Nebuchadnezzer Tyre prophecy, keep in mind that sometimes its talking about the NATIONALITY, not the location. So in this case the nationality of Tyre would be families of Edomites which did see an invansion from him.

I'm of the suspicion that the scholars propagating this have purposely (wrongly) assumed that its location and not race based because it would bring to light the lie that the decendants of Edom dissapeared some place or already had its full judgement completed. But if that proves wrong it would mean there is a nationality based judgement still pending and it would open a whole other can of worms for them.

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Christians Know Who God Is

by Loi_241 in

many of us christians have a good question for you to ask, “who is god?” there are more than six scriptures to share with you.

you know the bible itself a true message for all the people on earth.

the bible explains ‘in the beginning god created everything: heaven, earth, animals, people and everything.’ thus, you notice god created humans, adam and eve.

megaboy

Translation issue, original hebrew uses Alahym, that is applied to powers of authority. Sometimes it refrences the three powers that worked as one to create the heavens and earth.

There was a being that came down, sometimes he was called a pillar of smoke or cloud etc, but he had a bodily apperance. Helped Moses and the children of Jacob out when the Egyptains chased them, they called him Yah (Was not a short form of YHWH). And was called the Word which would speak what he was told to speak to man. A different being from YHWH.

So when he was going to be stoned for saying "I AM". He was telling the truth, he was saying that he was YAH, but even most of the hebrews didn't know that YAH and YHWH were not the same person.

I'm not sure who taught the trinity, but the Hebrew believers in the Mashiyak didn't teach it from the evidence I've read of first century hymns and discourses. Some gentiles such as Justin Martyr understood them to be two seperate entities.

I know there was a schism between the gentile and hebrew church, so as the hebrew founders left the scene, the gentile dominated gatherings (bodies) most likely started doing their own thing and adding their own twists. Then the council of Nicea just tweaked all of that confusion into a "canon doctrine" for the state.

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Is reasoning with a JW the answer?

by Saved_JW in

when i first left the watchtower society, i can remember being very eager to learn new information, especially information which pertained to discrediting the watchtower organization.

i called it "the cage stage" .

this excitement and newfound change in worldview completely rocked my world.

megaboy

Do either of you know of any moderately intelligent witnesses? I find it hard to believe not a one of them holds the ability to reason on ANYTHING they are presented with.

Its basic really, if something looks like a duck, like say a goose its not a duck as when you hear its cry its not the same.

If they claim they are chosen by God by how they present themselves but not in their true nature, they do not hold or know wisdom, divine or common. Their love is conditional.

Their doctrine shows a weak foundation, so they constantly have to perform mainteince on their house. The materials will eventually get so weak the storm will come and tare it down altogether.

None of these qualities reflect anything divine. So one with a good mind would know to avoid it, or pack up their bags. Even if one claims to depend on them, you can't depend on living in a house with a bad foundation. I surely wouldn't reccomend it.

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"It's the demons..."

by pale.emperor in

one thing that really frustrates me inside is how quite a few jw's (especially my family) actually believe that demons like to inhabit second hand vases, or clothes etc.

my sister and mother are so bad with this that they wont even talk about it - because even talking about it "brings demons into your home".

so any attempt to show them that it's unscriptural is shut off with, sometimes them literally going "lalalalalalala im not listening".. i used to believe it myself (why wouldn't i?, i was told by my mother and father it was fact).. what i'd like to point out to anyone that would let me debunk it is this:.

megaboy

Misunderstanding of demons and the Bible itself. The scriptures and the prophets are what would be considered divinely inspired. The creation of the Bible was not inspired.

The KJV version for example was suppose to also include a new piece from Ethopia, I can not remember the title, it was something about rulership or kingly rulership.

The reason the Bible was claimed to be inspired is because during the time of the reformation in Europe, they were claiming divine inspiration to justify anarchy. The Catholic Church had become corrupt, yes, but they were using that as an excuse to usurp the previous rulers. The Catholic Church that spawned after the reformation was actually much worse than what was before it.

You can read a great deal about it in various history books. Oliver Cromwell was actually very daibolical, he used Martin Luther as sort of a mascot religious figure puppet to bring people into the Protestant mindset (protester of the Catholic system of rulership). He seemed to have only used religion as a politician would, he used it because that was the easiest way to rally people, by "speaking their language" as he put it. This is most likely why many western "Christians" have a history that belives America to have some divine backing behind it, they were basically duped by politician tactics from the late middle ages.

Martin Luther was also deemed somewhat of a hero by the Reformist and an enemy by the Catholic Church, today both sides exaggerate his actions, as based on his writings he didn't seem very impressive of a theologian, he could recite psalms, or so he claimed to, but he lacked spiritual understanding and struggled with the concept of faith and works, constantly jumping back and forth becoming confused with Paul's and Jame's writings. I wouldn't follow the man if I was blind.

While there is nothing in the bound scriptures that implies Demons can live in inannimate objects, you can assume they can, if you take into account them being able to enter animals like pigs.

Demons also don't seem to be THAT powerful as people seemed to have mention. Based on what I've studied I'm lead to believe that TV and shows portray their behavior in a hyperbolic fashion.

When considering the first century belivers had access to Enoch, it seems to imply that demons are actually the spirit of dead Giants, and that due to the fact that they were an unatural creation between the messengers and men, they had no holding place created for them, so they were bound to earth. In hebrew scriptures the center of the Earth holds the spirits of man, one side called the Bossom of Abraham, the other side holds the spirits that will revieve judgement in the lake of fire. Witnesses of course claim that the lake of fire is immediate destruction, but as far as I know there is nothing in this realm, that "ceases to exist" but everything changes its form. Even a dead human's body and flesh still turn to dust and return to the earth.

In any case, the spirits of giants were suppose to linger in the earthly plane until their set judgement. Which is why when the Mashiyak was confronting legion they said it was not time for their judgement and instead of "tormenting" them he sent them into some swine.

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OKAY, GAME OVER! The number one reason the New Testament amounts to bunk

by Terry in

for me, the dead giveaway is this.

jesus wrote nothing.. stop and think about that.. if jesus were the authentic messiah, his ministry would not simply be local.. his instructions, his mission, the details of his teachings would be too precious to risk leaving it in the hands of "men unlettered (illiterate) and ordinary (blue-collar yokels).".

jesus, were he the one and only hope of mankind, would be absolutely certain to write down with great simplicity and specificity the exact owner's manual necessary to rescue mankind.. never happened!.

megaboy

The problem with the Messiah was that to most people back then, you really would have assumed him to be a normal person, and would have to be aware of the prophecies, which were ambigious to an extent.

THE BIG problem is that the Yahudi expected him to come and conquer the Romans, he did not do that so they thought he was a phony.

As a bit later there was a member of Yahudi who led a revolt agaisnt the Romans and this led them to think he was the prophecized Messiah, granted I don't think his name was "Joshua" which was the prophecized name of savior, but when he failed the revolt, I belive they recorded his name as Yeshu which was actually an insulting term, not equal to Joshua/Yoshua. Later during the middle ages onwards they recorded the Messiahs name in the insulting Yeshu a different name from Joshua, which is probably where the corruption Jesus came from. This is when they went full on agaisnt Christainity in argumentive writtings and documents but as mentioned in this thread there were various forms of Christainity, there was iconic heavy moor version, and there was the version the Romans put together which had elements like the trinity and all of that stuff. I think this is the one Israelities really hated. I know of a tribe of descedants of Ishmeal who were lucky enough to remain unbothered on their land for a bit over 1000 years to this day. They said from their perspective, Christain Moors, Muslims and Isrealites who followed the Mosiac Law pretty much got a long fairly well finding common ground in Abraham, but Persian, Roman and Turkish conquers would use and inflate the religious differences as a pretext to war and conquest. Its pretty interesting getting the view from the tribe, having stories of David going to their ancestors for help and advice since they lived near the border of now abandoned Isrealite territory.

Regardless the overthrow of Rome was suppose to be for the end time of all ages, if that would imply this age and the decendants of Romans rule a majority of territory now, even if a small percentage of them knew or belived it to be true would they teach in any of their religious structures that it was only a count down before they lost everything? People would revolt and lose it. Especially after their ancestors were conditioned with the Bible to tolerate and support colonial expansion.

I remember the followers asking when do the decendants of Jacob get to rule, so that was always the expectation. The confusion came from Paul's gentile teachings, where he taught them salvation has come to them, the issue here was that probably should more accurately been translated as welfare, not salvation. Through the fall of Israel the gentiles were able to plunder and get gold from the temple and boost up their finances and status for a longer period of time. I'm still studying this to see if this the case in other documents.

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The "most honest people" on earth....?

by stuckinarut2 in

have we noticed how often the society uses comments like this?.

"jehovah's witnesses are the most honest people...etc".

while it may be true that witnesses as a whole are decent, law abiding people, are they truely "honest" when the very foundation of beliefs are based on mistruths?.

megaboy

Be careful of the writing styles of the articles, if you inspect them (ironically enough) they aren't being honest.

The writing styles are written in a "convincing" and subtle manner. While this is not an issue alone it is made for you to subconsciously at the least, view what they write as reasonable (so you are already meeting them a bit past half way if you come in neutral or with limited knowledge), when in many cases a conclusion they present is actually quite foolish and illogical. Its not really the same as a car salesman, as its more so how it is said to you than what is said (or in this case written) that you should be weary of.

If they could using certain language give an appearance of "logical" writing in a calming manner that you would be able to jump off of a cliff and fly, it very well might convince someone.

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A simple question among other things...

by megaboy in

i would like to ask a question freely to anyone, just to get a feel for those i eccounter in life and be able to meet with them through empathy.. those who spent time with this organization, did you ever feel any sense of wisdom coming from it at all?

when i mean wisdom i mean in a truly sensible manner not the illusion of it.. were there any teachings that would manifest in you respecting your self and your thoughts, as well as others, being able to detect reasonable behavior and detect teachings which promote moderate actions with others?

anything to harvest justfying thoughts are behaviors with others?

megaboy

These are interesting replies and helpful. I want to say that simply having love doesn't particularly qualify as set a part, anyone in the world can have that. A man can have love for the poor but steal from others to serve the poor. Anything can be used as a tool a person can be used as a tool.

Would anyone say that the love used in the organization was conditioned under the circumstances to manipulate people into joining? It doesn't have to be daibolical, but it can organically mutated into this manipulative process. Not particularly compassionate love, but an eagerness to display "love"? The enviornment sounds like it adds pressure, can that pressure alter how love is presented? If something has some parts of something that are good but not others does that sheild then from critical judgement looking at the whole? Is love is shown in the org under certain circunstances does it still qualify as love based on the organization itself or is it the people showing elements of that nature in man? Is love harvested there or is more like the few plants that struggled to break through the cracks in concrete?

Its something to think about when wondering if its really worth the tine even taking the organization seriously at all.