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  WHY ALAN FRAUDBACKER IS DOOMED!

  by You Know in

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  for some reason i can't post on the original topic about the fds on why the watchtower is doomed thread.

  so i just started a new post.

  as regards af's long-winded post on that thread, it is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are merely trying to obfuscate the issue with this enormously long post.

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  joelbear

  I am interested.

  You Know,

  Do you believe the slave is the governing body or all of the annointed remnant including new young ones who partake?

  thanks

  Joel
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  I attended the meeting tonight.....

  by silentlambs in

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  i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

  this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

  when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

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  joelbear

  While I enjoy fun as much as the next person, there is too much as risk in this case to allow anyone to be hurt in a person's own desire to "get back" at those who he believes he is wronged by.

  Joel
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  Judicial Committe Accounts

  by lookingnow22 in

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  recently i've been reading the jc accounts of a few friends on disfellowshipped.com, and was wondering if any of you had links to other reliable transcripts/accounts/recordings of jc meetings.. i'm specifically looking for jc accounts, not just personal experiences.. thanks again,.

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  joelbear

  I have been involved with 4 judicial committees.

  The first was at Bethel after having told another brother that I was in love with him. This committee was very loving. They told me they thought a better fit for me was in the pioneer work instead of at Bethel where I had the constant temptation of seeing naked men every day in the showers. I ended up pioneering for about 3 more years after leaving Bethel.

  The second was back home in my home congregation. 2 of the 3 brothers were very loving, the 3rd was very harsh because he despised homosexuality. However the other 2 worked with me over quite a long period of time, listening to me and trying to understand me.

  The third was in Jacksonville during my wild period of drinking and partying. Several of the young brothers and me had gotten into the habit of frequenting topless bars. I was trying very hard to become attracted to females and be part of the manly crowd. Again, the brothers were very kind and knowing of my personal struggles and the fact I was so straightforward with them, didn't even publicly reprove me.

  The fourth was when I came back from Key West and told them I had had my first homosexual encounter. Again, they were kind and even asked me specifically if I planned to have more encounters. I answered yes. It wasn't until then that they disfellowshipped me.

  I personally never had bad experiences with JC's, although I knew of others who became involved in really weird situations. I also became aware of the politics involved in a lot of situations.

  norbal hugs

  Joel
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  I attended the meeting tonight.....

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

  this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

  when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

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  joelbear

  I cannot think of a matter more serious than child molestation and the covering up of it so that it could happen again.

  Indeed, I think it is too serious a matter to go about playing games such as following attendants around and burning rubber in parking lots.

  This type of behavior certainly takes away credibility from someone who has stated that there interest is in the children. This behavior to me screams that the person instead is seeking a reaction or attention for themself and is very Fred Hallish in nature.

  To then share this type of behavior here on an open forum is adolescent.

  peace

  Joel
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  Englishman Unplugged.

  by Englishman in

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  a few posters have asked me questions re my background, so, here is a potted version of my 54 years as an earthling: .

  i was born in bolton, greater manchester, in the north of england.. my father was an air-traffic controller and was transferred to london heathrow when i was quite young.

  hed flown many missions on lancaster bombers during ww2.

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  joelbear

  I was being born in the summer of 1958 so my parents couldn't go.

  nya nya hugs

  Joel
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  Should the goverments act?

  by PerFect in

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  hi all,.

  since the courtcases in moscow and france are on the wall, what are your thoughts on this.. should authorities act by making laws against destructiv sects?.

  what kind of laws, and what criteria should identify a destructiv sect?.

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  joelbear

  Governments are religions are basically the same thing. Large bureaucracies whose goal is to control behavior and profit from a controlled mass who are commanded to utilize a portion of their money to support the entity with some vague return of services.

  They are publicly sanctioned businesses. I dont see them as any different than McDonalds or Sears other than the fact that through their control you are obliged to spend money with them. Tithing, buying magazines to place, taxes and license fees, etc. All the same thing.

  hugs

  Joel
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  door-to-door records

  by philo in

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  i'm trying to get a picture of how d-d records are used.

  particularly, with regard to household security, are 'persistent nhs' kept in the maps in your area?.

  i used to file the cong maps, and we kept old d-d records back to target these persistents at unusual times.

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  In our congregation you were supposed to keep a territory until all the homes had been worked. You were supposed to work the territory different days and different times to reach everyone.

  I don't remember ever turning in d to d records with my territory. Of course, I didn't really believe in keeping d2d records. I honed in on the people who were interested and kept extensive notes about our conversations. My goal was always to start Bible studies. I LOVED bible studies. Of course, I always wanted to be a teacher, so this fit in with what my desires and talents were.

  I rarely placed literature. I typically gave books to people I thought had a sincere interest in a bible study. I hated magazine work because I saw this as too indirect approach for getting Bible studies. I offered bible studies on the first or second call everytime. I did have a route of people who only wanted the magazines, they were mostly older people.

  I guess I was always a rebel, probably because I have a bad heart condition.

  hugs

  Joel
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  Report on Jacksonville losing WT convention

  by expatbrit in

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  city loses big convention .

  by bill johnson, special to the daily record.

  wash your car, it will rain.

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  joelbear

  Money makes ze world go round.

  LOL. I find this very humorous.

  I lived in Jacksonville for 7 years and often helped out in the audit department at the conventions since I had been a bank teller and could count money very fast. There has always been a lot of powerful rich witnesses in Jacksonville. I bet they are irritated at this change.

  And by the way, it was Jacksonville Beach that I went to with Judah Benjamin Schroeder. I thought y'all should know that.

  Why in the world Shroeder would like Jax Beach is beyond me. It is hideous. Probably the ugliest beach on the Atlantic side of Florida.

  Sigh. I have spent many many weekends in that Jacksonville Coliseum.
  Brings back a lot of memories. My congregation from Valdosta used to run a concession stand every year at the convention. I remember how rude most witnesses were, pushing and shoving to get something to eat.

  Sigh, heavy sigh.

  hugs

  Joel
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  Englishman Unplugged.

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a few posters have asked me questions re my background, so, here is a potted version of my 54 years as an earthling: .

  i was born in bolton, greater manchester, in the north of england.. my father was an air-traffic controller and was transferred to london heathrow when i was quite young.

  hed flown many missions on lancaster bombers during ww2.

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  joelbear

  Oh I questioned it, silently.

  But, I knew better than to say what I thought out loud. My father would get violently angry at the mere suggestion that the Witnesses were not the truth. Any question of that kind would have sent him out of the house to the local bars, not to return til the early morning hours drunk.

  I would get to stay home and watch my mother's heart break.

  Nay, silence is golden.

  hugs

  Joel
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  Englishman Unplugged.

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a few posters have asked me questions re my background, so, here is a potted version of my 54 years as an earthling: .

  i was born in bolton, greater manchester, in the north of england.. my father was an air-traffic controller and was transferred to london heathrow when i was quite young.

  hed flown many missions on lancaster bombers during ww2.

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  joelbear

  Interesting story English. Thanks.

  I remember the Ezekiel studies myself. There were several books along in there where scripture by scripture applications to end times were made. It made my head swim and I never really believed any of it.

  I agree with your strong stand against disfellowshipping. It is perhaps the vilest practice of any organization on earth. It is psychological torture and manipulation at its worst.

  hugs

  Joel