yup, .......they can be a feisty lot!.
us parents play dirty when children are on sports field.
from laura peek in washington.
Seems like all the angry parents were men. Maybe if there was more male/male kissing this kind of thing wouldn't happen/. :)
Actually, I think this adds to my whole people are just animals with bad taste in clothes line of thinking.
Life is supposed to be fun isn't it?
smugs
Joel
i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
I personally think the death penalty is a waste of time and effort. If I ran the world, murderers would have to work hard every day the rest of their life and any profits from their efforts would go to the victim's family.
Restitution I think is more valuable than revenge.
hugs
Joel
sociology is fascinating.. here at this board we have a subculture of a subculture, similar to bears (gay hairy men) who are also a subculture of a subculture.. i participate in boards for both groups and they are remarkably similar.
there are the people who post long drawn out posts pontificating about this or that.
there are snipers who do nothing but try to derail threads.
While I love hair and while I love peanut butter. I do not want hair in my peanutbutter.
hugs
Joel
on tuesday june 5, krispy kreme opened a store here.
for months .
mouths have been watering for the wonderfully divine gastronomic .
Actually,
I remember us having Krispy Kreme doughnuts at conventions in the south when the circuits were still buying and/or preparing their own food.
I also remember my mom baking cookies to donate to the refreshment stands.
Sigh, there were some good times in the old days.
hugs
Joel
here're some points for one to think about before quoting 2 timothy 3:1-5 for our days, that i would like to share with you.. in 1274, peter the monk wrote:"the world is going through troubled times.
today's young people only think of themselves.
they've got no respect for parents or old people.
bj,
I love that quote from the ancients regarding how bad they thought things were.
I think that shows that life has always been a struggle, while the past, having been overcome doesn't seem quite as bad and the future, being completely unknown, can look so dark and forboding.
hugs
Joel
sociology is fascinating.. here at this board we have a subculture of a subculture, similar to bears (gay hairy men) who are also a subculture of a subculture.. i participate in boards for both groups and they are remarkably similar.
there are the people who post long drawn out posts pontificating about this or that.
there are snipers who do nothing but try to derail threads.
Six,
Hair removal ads on a bear space? NO WAY!!! They would take away my backhair card.
Our hair is precious to us, even the ones between our eye brows
hugs
Joel
i apologize in advance if this has already been discussed here.. at my daughter's pioneer meeting they were told that leaving literature in phone booths and laundromats is "littering".. since when?
anybody else heard this?.
libby
I would have never got my hours in without laundromats.
Zounds.
but this thread does make me feel better about throwing away the watchtowers that I found on benches at the shopping center i was at on Saturday.
I guess I put the litter in the right place.
hugs
Joel
the first time you went to bed or had same gender sex with your partner after leaving the jw experience, how did you feel?
and what led to this event, could you put it into words?.
sunshine and peace.
Since this never got put on the other forum, I decided to go ahead and answer it here.
My first time, by Joelbear (PG rated)
I realized I was gay when I was about 10. For the next 20 years I fought it almost literally 24 hours a day. Praying, pioneering, studying the Bible,etc. I dated sisters from the time I was 18 til I was 30. All of these sisters were beautiful kind wonderful people. I loved them but couldn't fall "in love" with them because there was zero physical attraction.
In April 1988 when I was 29, things came to a head pressurewise in my life. My two best friends were getting married, I had met a gay man at college who I had been talking with and the mental torture from my family regarding getting married (they were in just total denial) became too much for me to handle.
One night after a book study I went over to my friends house to look at some of their wedding plans. I got very depressed went to a liquor store and bought a bottle of vodka. I went home and gulped it down, trying to make the pain go away once and for all. I passed out in my bathroom on the floor.
Two weeks later I took off work and drove to Key West from Jacksonville. I had heard there were gays there (like there weren't any in Jacksonville, ha ha). I had no idea where to find them. Finally, after 3 days there, I found out Key West had gay hotels. I drove around and around and around one of them for about 1 1/2 hours trying to get the courage to go in. Finally I did.
I went down to the pool and met this beautiful man named Bill. Girls, let me tell you, he was perfection. Tanned blonde, steel grey eyes. We went out to dinner and when we came home he took me in his arms and gave me my first kiss. I was shaking all over uncontrollably. We lay down on a lounge chair there under the Florida sky and just held each other and talked until I stopped shaking. Thats all I did for my first sexual experience. But I knew from that first kiss on that there was no going back.
I went to bed (by myself) that night and literally felt years and years of weight drop off of me. I thought about my friends and family and wondered what my life would be like without them. I thought about how I would tell the elders in my congregation about what had happened. I didn't feel condemned by God for what had happened. I didn't feel guilt. I felt free. But it was a bittersweet freedom, since I knew my life was changed forever and that I would have to face that.
hugs
Joel
god can you believe, it speaker talking about the end being so near we just have to keep going out in the territory (bother people who don't want to talk with us) and keep the magazines moving because the end is near.
she said you could here uh huh from some of the braindead.
the truly brain dead there just eat it up, can't believe people can still believe that after all the failures.
I can tell you why people will believe this. They need to believe it in order to get through the pain and aggravation of life.
I was in the hospital this weekend for an emergency and I tell you, while I was laying there in pain and drugged up you could have convinced me I needed to accepted anything as truth as long as it would relieve the pain.
Life is painful. People need to hope the pain will end soon. I can identify with anyone who need's this hope.
peace
Joel
obviously a lot of you are no longer jws, for whatever reason, but surely you can find something better to do with your time.
you seem to spend a lot of your spare time slating the society or picking holes in your former beliefs.. if you've left and think what jws believe is a load of rubbish, thtat fine, you cn do what you want, but why you have to go on about it?
if being a jw means so little to you, why not just leave it behind and get on with your life?
I have a lot of components to my life. My work, my hobbies, my friends, etc. These are all important to me in varying degrees.
I spend a portion of my life on this web site. I have come to care about many of the people here. We share something in common. We have a common history that we talk about.
I agree that is would not be good to allow one's history as a Jehovah's Witness or any other history to rule one's present or future. But I think everyone looks back on their history as a way to determine what they want to do the same and what they want to do differently in their future in order to make it as rewarding as possibly.
I speak about my past, my present and my future here on this web site. I get emails from people who enjoy my posts and to let me know they agree or disagree with me on something. I love a discussion with people who share a common background. I have no friends away from this site who are former JW's so this is where I come to share my thoughts, hurts, joys, etc. with those I consider my brothers and sisters through shared experiences.
I think most of us are here for a similar reason to mine. At least this is the feeling I get reading most of the posters.
I would turn the question around to those who are still JWs? Haven't you got anything better to do? The great majority here have made up their mind that their spiritual path does not include being one of Jehovah's Witnesses, at least, in connection with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. However, having been witnesses we know that if one has chosen the Watchtower as one's spiritual path, that path does not include posting to exJW web sites.
Indeed, the counsel that we are aware that you receive is to spend as much time as you can studying the Bible and preaching to others. If you came here to preach the good news of the kingdom according to the Watchtower society, I suppose I could understand that to some degree.
But, really all you do is come here to call people names. I find that an odd use of one's time and in the end unfruitful.
I still wish you peace. I think JW's that come here, even if just to call names, are searching for something that is missing in their lives. I wish them well on their journey as I do those exJWs here.
peace hugs
Joel
