Posts by tec

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What's your Favorite TV show of all time?

by serenitynow! in

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if you can't tell from my username, i am a seinfeld fan.

seinfeld is the best show ever!

law and order is second.. jada.

tec

Star Trek ( in its day)

Firefly (cancelled )

Dexter, Scrubs, Supernatural

I can't choose a favorite.

Tammy

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Hubby is concerned with me being on this site.

by crazy2try in

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my husband and i have been fading for sometime.

we did attend the memorial this year with his parents.

we have had quite a few heart to heart conversations about us leaving the witnesses slowly.

Your relationship with your husband is most important; especially since you are fading together. So perhaps he is just threatened by the fact that you are doing something without him, and thereby getting ahead of him in your mutual fade. You might also want to reassure him about the anonymity of this place, and invite him to read www.jwfacts first. That's the site that sent me to this site.

Of course, others have experience with fading as a couple or not. I don't. And I'm sure they'll offer more constructive advice.

Tammy

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DEBATE: Did Jesus REALLY rise from the dead??

by Terry in

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tec

I watched the quick digest that you gave, and I'll respond somewhat to that. These are my opinions, of course. I definitely agree with Ehrman that we are all given brains and we should use them to decide for ourselves.

First, he asks three questions at the start of that digest - to which my answers are completely opposite as the general answers he expected. Do you believe the bible is inerrant - My answer, No. I believe the message preserved within it is inerrant. Have you read the DaVinci Code - No. Saw the movie, though, and it annoyed me that there seemed to be all this religious hype over a work of fiction based on a theory of a theory. Have you read the bible cover to cover - My answer, Yes. Many times. He asks if the bible is the inerrant word of God, why didn't God see fit to preserve that word without error? I already answered that I believe the message God wants us to have has been preserved, and that message is inerrant. He says he believes that things that were added did change the message. But of the few things listed in the above debate, none change the message of Christ. Ex - Not stoning the adulteress - belongs to do not judge(and can easily be backed up by the splinter in the brother's eyes lesson)/ or do unto others as you would have them do to you/ or forgiveness. As for the trinity? I don't embrace it, but even I can see the evidence leading toward it/and against it - and none of that is dependent upon the verse that was taken out of 1John. He says that there are upwards of 300 000 discrepancies between all the manuscripts that we have - I wish he would name at least a dozen or so examples, so we could get a clear idea on how meaningful (or not) these discrepancies are. Besides, he seems to answer his own concern when he speaks about different eyewitness accounts to a car accident. He doesn't doubt that the accident still happened. People just saw different things according to their perspective. Tammy

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DEBATE: Did Jesus REALLY rise from the dead??

by Terry in

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tec

"First, I want to affirm with all evangelical Christians that the Bible is the Word of God, inerrant, inspired, and our final authority for faith and life."

WALLACE doesn't agree with Bart Ehrman!! Shock!

I don't agree with either of them, and yet I still look to the bible for guidance! But the holy Spirit has more authority than the bible, something that cannot be proven... but I would think that a Christian should acknowledge that.

Remember, that the person making an assertion of the existence of something extraordinary is the one with the burden of proof to present extraordinary evidence. It is not the person rebutting.

I agree.., but if you are going to bother to rebut, then your rebuttals are just as subject to criticism as the original assertion. A bad rebuttal doesn't mean the assertion is true, of course. It just means that it is a bad rebuttal. Tammy

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DEBATE: Did Jesus REALLY rise from the dead??

by Terry in

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tec

I really enjoyed this debate. Both parties presented well, but there must be other parts of this debate that came before? I missed the explanation of these four criteria things that historians use, as presented by Licona.

Usually I hear most of what the skeptics and critics have to say, without necessarily hearing what believers have to say in rebuttal. Faith is personal, so I need to be able to stand up under it on my own accord. And I often disagree with some of the rebuttals being used in a debate. (like the laptop example that shows an intelligent designer; therefore a creator exists. I... strongly dislike... that comparison as a reason for a creator.)

But for the most part, I enjoyed Licona's rebuttal. (Though he seems to have gotten caught on the Jesus appearing to Judas. I wish he had gotten a chance to respond to that, or at least to admit that he misspoke.)

Also, Ehrman seemed to be great at offering many alternative possibilities, but none that seemed plausible when all the evidence is taken as a whole. (This is the problem I have, which seems to crop up on the atheist side of any debate) Such as the appearance of Jesus. If it was a vision/hallucination, then the grief reason does not work with Paul. He admitted this, and said it is a bigger topic to discuss, but in the essence of this debate, it throws a monkeywrench into this reason that he presented.

Also, the twin thing seems silly to me - and I'll go as far as to say a relative that looked very similar to Jesus, since no mention of a twin is ever mentioned in the bible and in fact would be in contradiction to everything taught about Jesus' birth. (Yes, Ehrman also admitted the implausibility of it) But it stands to reason, (to me at least) that if the Jews didn't want the rumor of Christ having risen from the dead to have any importance, then they would have researched and known that he had a twin (or similar appearing relative), and they would have ousted him to the people.

I do like to see two intelligent people go head to head in a rational and courteous manner.

So nice post, Terry,

Tammy

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The MOST IMPORTANT Topic you will ever read!

by Terry in

the basis of christian belief was accidentally destroyed.

it was corrupted by the finest men who ever lived.. they acted with the noblest intentions.

(originals wore out and only the copies remained.).

tec

I've been watching them, Terry. I just haven't heard anything (so far) that I haven't already thought of.

Tammy

Edited to add: 'Or that I haven't already read before.'

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Are you a Socialist?

by Cagefighter in

just wondering how many people on this board would consider themselves a socialist or communist?.

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tec

Who'd a thunk Albert Einstein was an intelligent man?

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Are you a Socialist?

by Cagefighter in

just wondering how many people on this board would consider themselves a socialist or communist?.

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tec

Snowbird did this topic a while back.

I would say that I would be a Socialist/Communist - in the sense of believing in their ideals. (giving according to ability/ receiving according to need) Whether those ideals can be implemented without corruption and greed is another matter. Communism hasn't been able to do so. Socialism, while some take advantage of it, seems the better of the two for being implemented.

Tammy

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The MOST IMPORTANT Topic you will ever read!

by Terry in

the basis of christian belief was accidentally destroyed.

it was corrupted by the finest men who ever lived.. they acted with the noblest intentions.

(originals wore out and only the copies remained.).

tec

I'd like to weigh in here, but this debate has little bearing on me or on my faith. I have never thought that each written word of the bible was inerrant. I personally give added weight to the things written by John or Peter, because they were with Jesus. But I have always believed that the message of God is there for all to see, and that this message is inerrant.

So these debates are not really going to affect someone whose belief is foremost with God, more than a book inspired of God but handled and translated by men.

Tammy

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The MOST IMPORTANT Topic you will ever read!

by Terry in

the basis of christian belief was accidentally destroyed.

it was corrupted by the finest men who ever lived.. they acted with the noblest intentions.

(originals wore out and only the copies remained.).

tec

And I do not believe that I have to go to church in order to gain Gods promise, what I do believe is that I have to love others as myself and Love my God with everything I got.

Agreed! All else flows naturally from these. And one thing I learned from the WT is that I cannot trust my faith to an organization. I can only trust my faith to Christ.

Tammy