Posts by tec

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The God Delusion

by alice.in.wonderland in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_god_delusion.

the god delusion is a 2006 bestselling non-fiction book by british biologist richard dawkins, professorial fellow of new college, oxford, and inaugural holder of the charles simonyi chair for the public understanding of science at the university of oxford.. .

in the god delusion, dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence.

tec

I've neither read the book, nor seen the movie. I'm not sure what you're specifically asking. You seem to have a few questions on different topics in your post.

(I could just be really tired, mind you.)

I think you're asking about God vs. Science, so here are my simple thoughts on that:

Science and faith are two different things. There's no reason for either to get in one another's face, and there's no reason for them to conflict. Personally, I think science is a wonderful and interesting way to learn about the means God used to create.

Tammy

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Book sealed to the learned but not to the unlearned.

by hoj in

isa 29:11-12 and the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i am not learned.. another way of saying this is that the book is sealed to the one who has been taught, but not to the one who hasnt been taught.

the one who hasnt been taught just needs to be taught.. the things that we have been taught can keep us from understanding the bible.

any error in doctrines can keep us in error.

tec

I don't see that everything was fulfilled in Christ, but everything will be fulfilled in Christ. The Church is the body of Christ. Christ is manifest in them.

Ha ha! It worked! Thanks, Hoj.

Now to respond to that quote:

How about 'everything IS fulfilled in Christ.'

I think that covers past-present-future, as it should.

As for everything else about Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelations, I don't have anything to add. I see your connection; I'm not sure what it means. But I will keep your thoughts in mind when I read the books, and I thank you for the perspective.

Peace to you,

Tammy

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Would You Believe This?

by snowbird in

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friends

i've recently processed information on a leviticus, chronicle, jehoshaphat, and thessalonians?.

all males.. this here is the bible belt, i tell you!

syl.

tec

Someone handed in a resume at my work with the name 'Godblessyou.' I kid you not. We called him on it, and he just shrugged and thanked us for taking the resume; that most people just assumed he was a joke.

(Never hired him, mind you)

Tammy

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Book sealed to the learned but not to the unlearned.

by hoj in

isa 29:11-12 and the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i am not learned.. another way of saying this is that the book is sealed to the one who has been taught, but not to the one who hasnt been taught.

the one who hasnt been taught just needs to be taught.. the things that we have been taught can keep us from understanding the bible.

any error in doctrines can keep us in error.

tec

As sweet as always.

Alas - Killing me with kindness does work - Gladiator

Yes...

WAIT! *shakes head*

I meant...

Tammy

(Just playing - I think you've shown that you can be pretty sweet, yourself)

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Jesus disses corporation-led religion??

by not a captive in

we were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.

but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.

a small sample--.

tec

Gladiator - I responded to your comments on the other thread that NAC mentioned, too. As for a thread to point out consistencies, you could do it and ask that non-believers not step in.

*shrugs*

Could work. I'd like to know more of what you're talking about.

Tammy

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Book sealed to the learned but not to the unlearned.

by hoj in

isa 29:11-12 and the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i am not learned.. another way of saying this is that the book is sealed to the one who has been taught, but not to the one who hasnt been taught.

the one who hasnt been taught just needs to be taught.. the things that we have been taught can keep us from understanding the bible.

any error in doctrines can keep us in error.

tec

Get back in your box for a rest, maybe. You wield your sword too well for it to be absent for long. It really is needed.

Agreed.

Your comments, Gladiator, make me examine my words and beliefs. I strive not to contradict myself or be hypocritical ( everyone does it to some extent, mind you, when confronted with different situations) but if someone thinks I am being so, then I would want to know. So I have the opportunity to defend myself, or correct the action that I was unaware of.

Tammy

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Book sealed to the learned but not to the unlearned.

by hoj in

isa 29:11-12 and the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i am not learned.. another way of saying this is that the book is sealed to the one who has been taught, but not to the one who hasnt been taught.

the one who hasnt been taught just needs to be taught.. the things that we have been taught can keep us from understanding the bible.

any error in doctrines can keep us in error.

tec

I'm not sure why my quote of your second paragraph didn't show in the above post. Hoj

At least you've figured out how to do that. I'm still just putting other's words in italics :)

Do you see any of Isaiah's prophecy to be concerning our age? Some of it is said to be fulfilled 2000 years ago, some hundreds of years after his prophecy. But even that I feel has its fulfillment in the presence (referred to the second coming) of Christ. I don't see that the later chapters of Isaiah have been fulfilled yet.

I think in Isaiah and most of the prophets, we see a similar pattern. Israel rebelling, losing knowledge and their place, then knowledge once again being poured out and bringing everyone to life. So I can and have seen this last bit in each of these books as concerning the second coming of Christ.

However, Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

So what does that mean? It should mean that everything written was fulfilled in Christ. I know that in Daniel, he was said to rest and then he would rise up to receive his reward, and in Ezekiel, the valley of bones were the Israelites who were going to receive life in them again. So in addition to seeing a future fulfillment, I have also considered that this life that Israel was to receive is the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent us. Even that the new 'heaven and earth' came into effect when that spirit was poured out.

Is 'everything is accomplished' everything that Jesus had to do while he was here? Or everything that would ever have to be done?

I know this isn't an answer. Its just something else to consider. Or at least something else that I consider.

Do you feel that Daniel's sealed book was a different book? Do you feel the book of Revelation is a different sealed book? Do you feel those sealed books are in prophecies of our (or future) age? Ezekiel also referred to the same book but doesn't say that it was sealed. But Ezekiel proves that the sealed book in Revelation is the same book that is open in chapter 10 of Revelation, and therefore Ezekiel's book is the same book. -Hoj

This is above my pay grade. But I hope I answered some of how I felt about this in the above.

Tammy

P.S. - Mad - Funny ramblings.

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A Darwin award, of sorts

by JeffT in

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http://www.seattlepi.com/local/420908_testicles31.html.

a man was shot in the testicles sunday afternoon after a gun in his waistband accidentally discharged, police said.. .

the man was shopping at the lowe's hardware store in lynnwood around 12:30 p.m. when the gun went off, said shannon sessions with lynnwood police.. .

tec

Had to read the title and the article again to get your meaning.

Cute.

Tammy

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Silly things I wondered as a kid

by exwhyzee in

if god is like a loving father why did he set up a way for adam and eve to possibly fail by putting the "magic tree" in the garden?

if my dad sabotaged his kids this way or felt the need to test our love him he'd be considered an abusive father.. when god put an angel with a spinning sword in front of the entrance to the garden why didn't a&e walk a few miles down from there and climb over the wall ?

was there a wall ?.

tec

You were a deep kid.

Mrs. Jones, you took the words out of my mouth!

Tammy

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Jesus disses corporation-led religion??

by not a captive in

we were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.

but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.

a small sample--.

tec

Good night , Sister.

Goodnight to you, Maeve. See you tomorrow.

Tammy