Posts by joenobody

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Elder Pleads For Money For Local Needs Talk!

by minimus in

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my mother was telling me how the elder went up on the platform and said how we can't pass donation plates around, we can't sell cookies or do bake drives, we pretty much can't beg for money.

then he said that at the risk of getting himself in trouble, it needed to be said that they don't know what they're going to do, but they need money and contributions.

my mother said that there are very few donating money and the congregation is in continual debt plus all the wealthier people have stopped going....i thought of metatron and knew he'd be delighted to hear another testimonial.

joenobody

Hmmm... let me think this one through. Imagine a scenario where the WTS continues to emphasize donations directly to the worldwide work as opposed to supporting local Kingdom Halls. There's a real problem with going down that road - they need to strike a precarious balance. They need the local KHs to operate in order to have regular "sales meetings" to keep people active and in fear. If the congregations started to dry up, they would feel the pinch. I think in the long run if they could avoid having local KHs which are a drain of publishers money, they would give them up as long as it didn't affect the bottom line.

But they know they can't. You need to keep a sales force active out in the field. Tough balancing act they are trying to pull off.

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1995 no big deal??

by Bubbamar in

when i discovered - only recently - the the masthead of the awake was changed in 1995 to eliminate "our creators promise" i found it apalling.

it was a promise people!!

i am curious, did the wtbts write articles or discuss this radical change or did they just slip it in?

joenobody

I remember being dumbfounded by it. I was even more appalled when nobody else seemed to care. Sheep indeed.

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Former Bethelite comes out and shares story

by Dogpatch in

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i was always a shy kid that desperately wanted to make my parents proud.

at about this same time i started to hang out with some guys that my dad didn?t particularly approve of.

i wonder how my life would have turned out had i stopped at any point between ages 14 and 19 and asked myself who exactly i was doing all this for.

joenobody

I hope he does. What a kick in the teeth the guy takes in the end - nasty.

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I don't know if this would be considered a "scandal" per se...

by CeriseRose in

for the first time in as many years as i can remember they moved the district convention from the large pacific national exhibition centre (pne), and divided the convention into 2 parts and all the jws in the area are assigned to go 4 hours north of here, get accommodations etc.. they came out with this back when i was *just* leaving the org.

i asked my jw friend and the comment back from her was that they hadn't been able to book the pne and so everyone was doing this.

i think that's a load of crap...they've moved the assembly weekend before when they've had the weekend they wanted booked, and to another weekend.

joenobody

I believe this is the trend across the continent. I couldn't believe that they had moved to dinky little Cornwall. No DC in Ottawa OR Montreal?!? What an extra burden for people to shell out money for hotels etc. I guarantee you that if I had to travel for the DC to another city, I would NOT bring a cooler (where are you going to keep your food for three days if the hotel has no fridge?) - we'd definitely be eating out.

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Hey! Did you ever wonder how to use a piece of plastic to cover the mags?

by joenobody in

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here's a truly weird flash animation demo of "how to use magazine covers".

this is waaaay too bizarre... if anyone is good with shockwave or flash they should do a parody (although the self-parodying nature of this is too much!)..

http://www.mckennabookcovers.com/first_page.html

joenobody

Here's a truly weird flash animation demo of "how to use magazine covers". This is waaaay too bizarre... If anyone is good with Shockwave or Flash they should do a parody (although the self-parodying nature of this is too much!).

http://www.mckennabookcovers.com/first_page.html

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Annoying WT Pictures from Publications Post Here With Comments

by Celtic in

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why is it that in pictures of the 'new system of things' there always appears in the background a ruddy mountain with snow on it?

and what for petes sake is that lion doing with a ruddy plastic beachball on it's paws, if that gets through the great tribulation, may be my yellow plastic rubber duck for my bath will too!!

what pictures from wt publications really get your goat?.

joenobody

Apparently in the new system, people of the nations will go back to the traditional garb that they used to wear 50 years ago. How the else will you be able to tell what old country they were from?

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Some albums I recommend.

by GenericMan in

here's some albums i recomend:.

things we lost in the fire by low.

unknown pleasures and closer -- both are by joy division.

joenobody

RR any particular gems on vinyl that you have that haven't been published on CD? Got a wishlist?

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Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

by patio34 in

michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

joenobody

I find it pretty shocking to see the difference between many of the Bush supporting Americans on this thread versus the comments from those of us outside the country that have access to a different perspective with additional news services. Your country and government owes you a lot of answers - why aren't more people asking the questions?!?

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The Watchtower guilt machine is indeed a powerful tool

by Nocturne in

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i haven't posted as much here as i've wanted these past few weeks, but i've spent most of my time lurking here, or in chat.

for the last few 2 months roughly, every meeting i attended became extremely painful to endure, such that i would come up with excuses to miss as many as possible.

but there are 2 events that really gave me a swift kick to wake me up and realize that things had to change.

joenobody

SoJ - you can bite me. I expect that kind of callous remark from less remarkable idiots.

Nocturne - hang in there. You are going to run the gamut of emotions and are are probably going to need to talk to people who've been there before. As I mentioned to you in a PM you can talk to my bro and I as we both live in town and have been through similar stuff. I understand what it's like to feel you are mortally wounding your mom. It kills you inside. But the right thing to do is not the equivalent of the easy thing to do.

Friends that you'll never hear from again? Absolutely. Rebuilding from nothing? Yes, it's true. But more would leave I think if it were an easy transition. But it can be done - I'm living proof. I have a bunch of true friends who will (and have) stuck by me that I had to work to develop friendships with over the years. You will get there too... Come and meet me for a coffee when you are ready to either blow off some steam, or just go on a seemingly endless rant to a receptive ear.

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Need Help (Refuting JW Doctrines)

by alaskagirl in

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okay, i'm writing a letter to my brother explaining why i no longer believe the wtbts is god's earthly channel (since he asked).

so i want to mention all the contradictory, scandalous, evil doctrines they teach or once taught.

however, i need to have documented proof of them from "non-apostate" sources.

joenobody

Good example Nocturne - forces her brother to do a ton of research and slide down the slipper slope.

PM me to let me know how you are doing.