Posts by bnybyt

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Ray Franz

by thedog1 in

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am reading coc at the moment, about half way through.

just finished reading some of the details of what happened in malawi and mexico years ago.

which reminded me that in the early 80's a very well known elder in the country i was then living in went to new york as he had discovered all the discrepencies between what had happened in malawi and in mexico and wanted to know what the gb had to say about it.

bnybyt

When I read this I cried with hurt and rage, I'd written letters to Malawi's gov't and thought it so cruel of Satan system of things to persecute our brothers and sisters.

All this time, it was the Governing Body who allowed our brothers and sisters to be persecuted. They had double standards and there was no need for our Malawi brothers and sisters to be abused, raped, tortured, killed! All because of a stinking national party membership / ID card. While the Mexican brothers were getting away with the bribing of officials at the Governing Body's consent.

This, more than anything else in CoC, really got to me and opened my eyes to the reality of the Watchtower Corporation and its self presevation at all costs, even human life and suffering.

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Number of anointed partakers in new yearbook?

by JWOP in

i haven't seen the 2014 yearbook on the jw site yet.

i'm looking to see if the number of partakers has increased again (as it has for many years now).

anyone have a scan of it yet?.

bnybyt

No seriously, do you think they are all genuine??

Everyone who reads the gospels and feels they should partake is doing what is expected of believers in Christ.

If their belief is genuine how can their partaking not be genuine?

1 John 5:1

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Coc and ISFCF

by DS211 in

hey guys are there ray franz coc or isocf ebooks for sale?

its hard for me to get a paperback as im fading.

bnybyt

you can get both ebooks at amazon.com I believe, quite cheaply.

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R U DFshipped?

by DFshipped in

i am a dfshipped person who is working towards reinstatement.. i would like to meet anyone else who also would like to return.. i really would prefer not to meet people who want to criticize my desire to return.

i would like to enjoy and offer encouragemnt to others like me.

bnybyt

R U DFshipped?

No I M NOT.

According to WT doctrine I should be shunning you since I shouldn't be communicating with a DF'ed person.

Coming to JWN and making your comments sounds a lot like what a troll would do, actually.

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16 International Conventions in the USA not far from a congregation near you. Well, maybe far but if you don't get invited dont fret, a video link is available.

by bnybyt in

a member of the gov bod will be present or one of their personal assistants.

all district conventions will be tied in to the international locations for special.

talks via video link.. .

bnybyt

Clarity your nic is on the other hand quite pronounceable!

I'm middle aged, been an elder, and "stepped" down from that responsibility after reading Crisis of Conscience.

My wife is very loyal to the Watchtower still, she used to be a full time pioneer. Now she's an ongoing Aux.

I'm withdrawing more and more from doing "theocratic stuff". My wife even asked if I was going to the Special Day.

I said yes to that just to be able to catch up with some other wanabe faders I've known since my awakening.

I started partaking at the memorial in 2007 and after the "abuse" from my local BOE and then CO about it I

came to question the "Society" more and more. My first urges to look into WT History lead me to search the internet

and in an article on Wikipedia I read about Ray Franz and that motivated me to get his books. After reading them

I knew I had to do something, I didn't want to be an enforcer of WT policies and was looking for more Christian Freedom.

That led to more internet searches and this website.

I've also researched my family history and come to appreciate my Sephardic Jewish heritage.

Although I was raised Roman Catholic, thru my maternal grandmother I can trace back my roots to the Eastern Spanish shores,

and a converso family, although...

I consider myself a believer in Jesus as the Messiah and by that definition definitely a Christian.

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16 International Conventions in the USA not far from a congregation near you. Well, maybe far but if you don't get invited dont fret, a video link is available.

by bnybyt in

a member of the gov bod will be present or one of their personal assistants.

all district conventions will be tied in to the international locations for special.

talks via video link.. .

bnybyt

A member of the Gov Bod will be present or one of their personal Assistants

at each of the 16 locations.

All District Conventions will be tied in to the International locations for Special

talks via video link.

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Pioneer Service School Adjustment for 2014

by bnybyt in

the pioneer service school will now be only one week, monday thru saturday.. it will consist of 40 hours of instruction and illustrations/presentations.. the reasong given is that this will make it more accessible to the pioneers for due to work schedules and for congregations having to sponsor and support the school.. it will make it easier on everyone and those who haven't attended in the last five years may be able to attend this school with the new curriculum.. .

what do you feel would be included in the new curriculum.

probably more worship of the governing body and they don't need two whole weeks to get this across.. .

bnybyt

The Pioneer Service School will now be only one week, Monday thru Saturday.

It will consist of 40 hours of instruction and illustrations/presentations.

The reasong given is that this will make it more accessible to the pioneers for due to work schedules and for congregations having to sponsor and support the school.

It will make it easier on everyone and those who haven't attended in the last five years may be able to attend this school with the new curriculum.

What do you feel would be included in the new curriculum. Probably more worship of the Governing Body and they don't need two whole weeks to get this across.

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ELDERS STEPPING DOWN

by ADJUSTMENTS in

between two congregations that i know of four elders have stepped down in the last two months!

there is something really going on in this mandmade organization!

it's busting at the seams!.

bnybyt

@88jm, there's a lot of that sort... COs who are "shit-stirrers". Momma WT likes it that way!

@blondie, when an elder steps down without the consent of the CO and BOE that's when the rumors start, badmouthing the poor brother.

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Today's WT Study (Who is the FDS - Sep 2013)

by ohnightdivine in

please share how your wt study went today...

bnybyt

Talking afterwards with three other Witnesses we had a big laugh about paragraphs 12 and 16.

On paragraph 12 it says Jesus came with his father and chose the FDS in 1919. Then in

paragraph 16 it says when WILL Jesus come, again??? Why did he (and his father to boot)

have to leave after 1919 then come back again. And don't the scriptures say that Jesus

will be there with two or three that meet in his name?

It's just so obvious to many of the R&F that the WT doctrines are quite convoluted.

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Passing a resolution a painful experience

by stillin in

everybody knows it's going to pass.

nobody ever asks if possibly that much money for the circuit overseer's whatever isn't a bit too much, or whatever else the congregation is being asked to agree to.

then the call to raise your hand if in favor of doing the "right thing.

bnybyt

It's interesting how they ask "all in favor" and the majority raises their hands "sheep-mindedly"

They don't bother to ask "all against" in my congregation, nor others I've visited.

It's taken for granted that there's always a majority in favor so there's no need to see if any are against.