guess they just wanted to emphasize that two more people are now guaranteed a better chance at salvation (because, you know "probably you may be concealed in the day of his anger") as opposed to the rest of the world who are going to DIE because they didn't get baptized yet.
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So close, they're saying it every meeting?
by CrimsonAshes inwas listening to the meeting on the phone tonight, and the second half, after the song, one of the announcements said about the gt.. at first i thought they said "great tribulation one day away," but then i listened to the rest, and realized it was "great tribulation is one more day near.
" either way....they're saying it at every meeting now?
and the reason it was an announcement was because they were announcing baptisms.
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Are you 2% or 98%. Amazing the way our minds work!
by AK - Jeff inamazing.. http://www.beautifulperth.com/freeekytest.html.
2% or 98% of population?.
just follow these instructions, and answer the questions one at a time and as quickly as you can!
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i got the same as jadeen!! dominican republic, cat, tangerine! :P
yay i'm 2% smarter! er...wait...LOL j/k :P
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How did 1975 effect your family? here's mine...
by Aussie Oz ini just spent a few days with my dad.
i asked a few questions about the time when mum became a witness which i know is still, 38 years later, a painful thing for him to talk about.
in the course of it, he also learned some stuff that he did not know about the pressures of the times.. as i expected, mum and dad have different versions of this time, and it is pretty hard to find the real truth in it and in some ways it does not matter anymore.. mums version: she first was contacted in echuca late 1960s and dad put a stop to it.
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I wasn't born until 1981, but it still affected my life. My dad's side of the family was always around the religion in some way, so he was basically raised in it. BUT....apparently 1975 disillusioned his parents and they began to drift away and finally DA'd themselves. Because of this I only have one very faint memory of my granparents from when I was a very small child....and the rest of my memories of them are from when they were in the hospital/nursing home dying.
I never got to know them. And it makes me mad and hurt. Since they were DA'd we obviously didn't associate with them. In fact, we associated more (even though it still wasn't that much) with my mom's parents who were "worldly".
It angers me because I feel deprived of my heritage. I feel ignorant about my history and who I am/where I came from. I feel like I was givin the facade of familyhood without there being any actual family bond.
yes, i'm pissed.
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Could humans become as powerful as Jehovah? WT says yes!
by Paralipomenon incoming to the end of my trying to rationalize and understand the witnesses i had a thought.. witnesses maintain that jesus was a physical human.
a perfect one, but human nonetheless.
this was to be a perfect sacrifice in place of adam, and it had to be human otherwise it wouldn't be a real test.. at the age of 30, jesus was baptised and with the holy spirit in the form of a dove, he regained his memories of his life in the heavens.. close books, applause, sing a song and pray.. whoa, wait... so if he was a normal human... that means that a normal human has the capacity to hold all the information of the universe from the creation of the stars, galaxies, to the intricices of dna structure of every living thing on the planet.. i researched this point and asked everyone i could.
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while you do make well-educated points that I would concede to, this isn't a question of evolution/science versus the bible.
I was simply expressing the thinking that could be used to explain the reasoning behind the question. If you base what I said from a jw "biblical" perspective, then what I said is correct.
Whether or not it agrees with science, nature, evolution, whatever...doesn't really apply in this particular debate.
As is proven with the JW's and most other religions, it can be quite easy to construct a line of reasoning to fit whatever issue is raised. If you're a "true believer" of that faith, then such reasoning would satisfy the curiosity because it sounds logical ENOUGH to not have to investigate further (which is how jw's mentally resolve the issue that paralipomenon raised).
"By that reasoning, if I were to create a half-man, half-mouse creature... that thing would be a mouse - and all other mice could be measured in performance against it. " - this type of analogy doesn't exactly apply, although I still see your point. There were no "half" creatures involved. Both Adam and Jesus were human. But they were both directly created by a divine source, instead of one being created by God (Adam) and then everything else coming solely FROM that creation. If you created a mouse out of nothing, used it's parts to create a counterpart mouse, bred them, and then selected one female, created new sperm from nothingness (using the same creation concept as the original mouse) and impregnated her, THEN that would be a more similar analogy. Both the original mouse and the mouse born from the sperm that was not passed down from anything would be on par in the originality of their existance.
Interesting points otherwise, though.
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Could humans become as powerful as Jehovah? WT says yes!
by Paralipomenon incoming to the end of my trying to rationalize and understand the witnesses i had a thought.. witnesses maintain that jesus was a physical human.
a perfect one, but human nonetheless.
this was to be a perfect sacrifice in place of adam, and it had to be human otherwise it wouldn't be a real test.. at the age of 30, jesus was baptised and with the holy spirit in the form of a dove, he regained his memories of his life in the heavens.. close books, applause, sing a song and pray.. whoa, wait... so if he was a normal human... that means that a normal human has the capacity to hold all the information of the universe from the creation of the stars, galaxies, to the intricices of dna structure of every living thing on the planet.. i researched this point and asked everyone i could.
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well...just thoughts to ponder in addition to yours:
God supposedly confused the languages because there was "nothing" humans couldn't accomplish if they remained united.
Also, there is no way to measure what the "perfect" human brain could hold. "Experts" claim we use, what....I think the last I heard was one tenth of one percent of our brains? And yet we have some SMART humans from just that minor fraction of brain usage.
So yes, I think that humans could become god-like by certain definitions of the term, perhaps. The scriptures indicated that there currently were many "gods and lords", etc.....
Another interesting concept to think about is that it has been often said that we could never learn all there was to know about God...but nothing was ever said about our inability to continue learning. Therefore, the capacity to store information in a perfect brain could potentially be virtually limitless.
Also, just to argue some semantics....Jesus wasn't actually a "normal" human. Neither was Adam. Their direct source was supposedly God. Yes, there had to be human for human sacrifice, but when you think of the paternity of both humans, it was from a heavenly, supernatural source. Jesus was born by a woman, which qualified him as human for the ransom, but the seed was from God himself - as was Adam's "seed" or birth source. Therefore, Jesus wasn't exactly a "normal" human (nor Adam if you want to get technical. He was SUPPOSED to be the normal human, but that kinda got messed up apparently). Our definition of a "normal" human is only known by tainted imperfect standards since we cannot know what the species could have been like in a perfect state. But again, because both Jesus and Adam were on par with the source of their coming into existance, the ransom was valid.
I can see where the shock and confusion would come from, though. It's easy to get caught up in the questioning of certain details to the point of maybe not realizing others.
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Why Men Are Never Depressed
by Bangalore inwhy men are never depressed.. men are just happier people-- what do you expect from such simple creatures.. your last name stays put.
the garage is all yours.
wedding plans take care of themselves.
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not to get all gross and take over a man's thread lolol but i agree with mindmelda....why can't the monthly curse just recirculate through the body instead of needing to be expelled? seems much more efficient....*shrug*
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what the eff is an ELDER even doing on facebook lolol
ignore the idiot, no skin off your nose...don't blow it out of proportion by giving it more weight than is there. When they're knockin down your door and asking blunt questions, then maybe you can say damn lol but a little facebook friend request? pfft...that's nothin lolol
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Sexual Repression 101. Pure WT Gold: Wednesday's Daily Text.
by Open mind inwednesday's daily text was a masterpiece.
each sentence just added another layer of sexual guilt and repression.
i could go off for at least another 500 words but i'll stop.. .
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ugh...so many examples of all this crap pop into my head!!
example 1: a several-year-long bethelite decided he was "ready" (at the age of like....late 30s? early 40s?) to start dating and "find a mate" (sounds so creepy!). Amazingly he did find someone, but they agreed to not kiss until they were ENGAGED. WTF?!?!?!? Why would you commit to someone if you didn't know whether they were gonna slobber on your chin or not??? weirdos.
example 2: my mid 20s sister was dating a brother.....we were at a congregational function....and he was standing there with his arm around her shoulder for a minute or so. Some pompous elder had the NERVE to walk right up to them and actually ask: "so, when's the date??" WTF?!?!?!?!?!? Apparently ANY sign of physical affection is considered inappropriate unless you have a date set to marry that person.
And apparently even if you HAVE a date set to marry that person, you're STILL supposed to not do any of those things because they will ultimately lead to sex before marriage.
BULLSH*T
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"All athiests/agnostics will regret their path and beg God to take them in before their death..."
by sabastious inthat's what my older jw brother of 34 said a few months back.
he actually 100% believes that an athiest cannot have a happy life.. -sab.
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i truly hope b-rock was joking.....
because that was the DUMBEST human-weakness-contrived work of fiction I have ever read.
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Sexual Repression 101. Pure WT Gold: Wednesday's Daily Text.
by Open mind inwednesday's daily text was a masterpiece.
each sentence just added another layer of sexual guilt and repression.
i could go off for at least another 500 words but i'll stop.. .
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well i didn't know if it is rare or not...i just put that in there so people wouldn't jump all over my statement and say "oh that only happens to a few people"....