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  Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  (let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

  basic facts:.

  the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

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  I might actually have to do some calculating myself, but I agree that it is a huge problem!
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  Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  (let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

  basic facts:.

  the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

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  Also, since this is over a period of 30 years I would guess that most of the victims at some point in there adult life told someone about the abuse. To say less than 50% of all abuse over a period of 30 years never reach the elders sounds unlikely. Remember that members are encouraged to report on each other to the elders.
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  Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  (let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

  basic facts:.

  the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

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  Yeah, but my assumption was that someone who "operated" within the past 30 years is likely still alive and thus presents a current danger.

  I know but I think there is a differece between "140,000 JW child abusers among 115,000 congregations right now" and "140,000 JW child abusers among 115,000 congregations over a period of 30 years"

  But I don't think it would lower my estimate by 90%

  Maybe not but I believe it would be considerably lower since you are using the reference of a virtual haven for pedophiles (no mandatory reporting) and that will give you much higher number than the world average.

  I really have no idea of what the real numbers would be.

  EDIT: also, such "haven" would attract additional pedophiles.

  
  
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  Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

  by sir82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  (let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

  basic facts:.

  the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

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  This is over a period of 30 years though, so that would be 140,000 JW child abusers among 115,000 congregations, over a longer period of time.

  This is also in regards to cases where reporting to the police was not mandatory, there are many places where it is mandatory now. This would lower the numbers since many of the abusers would have been caught by the legal system.

  I would guess on average a child abuser for every 5-10 congregations world wide regardless of standing in that congregation (since the 1006 documents where for all accusation regardless of standing in the congregation).

  It is just a guess though. Guessing the pedophile/congregation ratio atm in Australia would be hard enough, there is simply not enough data to extrapolate any good calculations for the entire world.
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  Don't know about videos being released but the transcripts are released here:

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney

  Near the bottom of the page, yesterdays transcript is already available.
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  CNN Video: Royal Commission's querry into JWs sexual abuse cases

  by ScenicViewer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not sure if this will be embedded or clickable, but this cnn video is a good one.. http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn.

  edit: looks like the link is clickable, but if someone knows how to embed it please do.

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  That study is going to backfire in Watchtower's face.

  I don't know, the GB will be prescribing "wait on Jehovah" "trust in Jehovah and his organisation" "dismiss apostate lies" pills to be taken before every meal of the day.

  Would you really want to leave Jehovah's warm embrace just because of something you heard on the worldly news controlled by Satan? We cant know what really happened.. and they are imperfect men, Jehovah will sort it out when the time is right.

  And by the way, what other organisation preaches the good news over the entire earth? Where else would you go?

  And when all else fails: do you really want to lose your family?

  That's right, you want to stay here with us!

  
  
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  Does the royal commission have the power to force the Jws to change how abuse is handled?

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm wondering if this is just a hearing or if this commission has teeth?.

  some very damning things coming out nonetheless .

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  I don't know, but the fact that they can force Branch Committee members to the stand indicates that they have some sort of "motivational" power.

  I remember Doug Jackson reassuring the court:

  "It is not that I don't want to answer the question, it is just that I don't remember"

  I amuse this was because showing contempt for the court would be a criminal offence.

  But forcing the watchtower to change policies would be an entirely different story...
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  [Day 2 - 28/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i decided to take one for the team and stay up to record day 2.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 and 3 will soon be available.. part 1: .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxspcullksa&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=4.

  playlist where the other parts will be added as i upload them, it also contains day 1 recorded by barbara:.

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  Part 3 uploaded, it will take a little while before 1080p becomes available as YouTube processes the video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MRsGaY-jKw&list=PLPQ6KZ-AGhVQbadlzMQN26dvMPzddxlui&index=6

  I recommend watching Dino Ali, he is really making a mess

  His testimony starts at 57 minutes in.

  Enjoy! :)
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  The witness list for the Royal Commission will make all the blame shifting backfire!

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so i just looked at the witness list and was pleasantly surprised when i saw who will be "forced" to attend the court.. right now the elders are saying that; they just do as they are told, "it is not our fault/responsibility".

  we just do what the service/legal department tells us, etc.. but people who have the responsibility are not out of reach this time.. rodney spinks: jehovahs witness and member of the service department, watchtower bible & tract society of australia .

  vincent toole: jehovahs witness, solicitor, and overseer of the legal department, watchtower bible & tract society of australia.

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  So I just looked at the witness list and was pleasantly surprised when I saw who will be "forced" to attend the court.

  Right now the elders are saying that; they just do as they are told, "it is not our fault/responsibility". We just do what the service/legal department tells us, etc.

  But people who have the responsibility are not out of reach this time.

  Rodney Spinks: Jehovah’s Witness and member of the Service Department, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Australia

  Vincent Toole: Jehovah’s Witness, solicitor, and overseer of the Legal Department, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Australia

  Terrence O’Brien: Jehovah’s Witness Branch Committee member and current director of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Australia

  They even got a member of the branch committee who will have to actually answer the questions! I guess he might try to push the blame/responsibility on the governing body, don't think the Royal Commission will allow that though.

  The JW child molestation cover ups in Australia ends one way or another now! :D
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  Dino Ali Taking the Stand NOW

  by AudeSapere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

  -aude..

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  Pubsinger

  Are you offering?

  All of those things sound very nice, I don't know if disabling the comments would achieve anything? Not scaring away the witnesses perhaps?

  
  

  Do you know if Barbara will cover the full 2 weeks?