Posts by C0ntr013r

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[Day 3 - 29/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

since the responds was very positive and because of the "cliffhanger" from day 2, i decided to record day 3 as well.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0&index=7&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

(it will take a little while before 1080p becomes available as youtube processes the video.).

C0ntr013r

In part 2 there is a few minutes missing. You can watch that in this video starting at 29:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbN14qFhCtk

There was actually a pretty good point being made that my recording missed.

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How long will all the confidential material be available?

by C0ntr013r in

this is certainly a gold mine of information:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

If you molested a child is not important... What is important, is if anyone knows about it!!

by C0ntr013r in

i posted this in another thread but i think it is important to share it because of how crazy it is.. download the entire confidential document:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=7ba22716-556c-43c2-9fc6-76697afad440&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0001.004.0076&fileextension=pdf.

at times, the branch office may determine that a man qualifies for congregation privileges, as he is not considered to be a known child molester.

C0ntr013r

Crazy indeed, until you remember this is an organization all based on appearances.

Sure but this is worse, even if the elders and the families involved knows, they can still appoint him. If the same was true in regards to another matter I am not sure they would make any exception...

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I have two questions about RC Australia

by bobld in

jw
friends

1.is this rc only about the wbts?.

2. why did the gb/fds asked for all the money to be sent to hq?

ok so they could sent all that money off shore..

C0ntr013r

1: No

2: RC want orgs to pay the victims, and the amount of money they have will determine how much and even if they have to pay.

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If you molested a child is not important... What is important, is if anyone knows about it!!

by C0ntr013r in

i posted this in another thread but i think it is important to share it because of how crazy it is.. download the entire confidential document:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=7ba22716-556c-43c2-9fc6-76697afad440&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0001.004.0076&fileextension=pdf.

at times, the branch office may determine that a man qualifies for congregation privileges, as he is not considered to be a known child molester.

C0ntr013r

I posted this in another thread but I think it is important to share it because of how crazy it is.

Download the entire confidential document:

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=7ba22716-556c-43c2-9fc6-76697afad440&type=exhibit&filename=WAT.0001.004.0076&fileextension=pdf

At times, the branch office may determine that a man qualifies for congregation privileges, as he is not considered to be a “known” child molester. He may then move to another congregation. In such cases, the elders would not normally mention anything about his past conduct in the letter of introduction unless the branch office has determined that there is reason to do so.

What does "known" mean?

Question 4: The January 1, 1997, Watchtower article on page 29 states that “a man known to have been a child molester” does not qualify for congregation privileges. What is meant by “known”? 12.

Answer: “A man known to have been a child molester” has reference to the perception of the community and the Christian congregation. It may be one who has sexually abused a minor and who is still viewed negatively by the victim’s family, the congregation, or the elders, or it may be one who is viewed by the community or secular authorities as someone who is a sexual abuser of minors,whether the abuse has been established by the congregation or not. Such a man is not “free from accusation” or “irreprehensible.” Neither does he have “a fine testimony from people on the outside.” (1 Tim. 3:1-7, 10; 5:22; Titus 1:7) In view of his notorious past, people in the community would not respect him, and the brothers may even stumble if he were appointed.

So if it is not common knowledge in the congregation or known to the authorities, it is okay to appoint? Even if abuse have been established by the congregation? (Which require 2 witnesses or a confession)

No, they are not hiding pedophiles at all...

If you molested a child is not important, what is important is if anyone knows about it!?!?

Absolutely crazy!!

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How long will all the confidential material be available?

by C0ntr013r in

this is certainly a gold mine of information:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

C0ntr013r

go to the rc site and send them an email. The transcripts are up for anyone to down load.

I know, my question is if anyone is taking steps to save all of the information. Saving it on JWleaks, JWfacts or such.

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How long will all the confidential material be available?

by C0ntr013r in

this is certainly a gold mine of information:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

C0ntr013r

This is certainly a gold mine of information:

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney

But how long will it be available? Will anyone take steps to preserve it all? Or will it stay up indefinitely?

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[Day 3 - 29/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

since the responds was very positive and because of the "cliffhanger" from day 2, i decided to record day 3 as well.. part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0&index=7&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

(it will take a little while before 1080p becomes available as youtube processes the video.).

C0ntr013r

NOW i am feeling that "Happy" song at last.

Haha, yeah. One of the biggest things in Ex-JW history for sure! :)

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Branch Service Department Manual approves appointing Child molestors as Elders

by stuckinamovement in

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=7ba22716-556c-43c2-9fc6-76697afad440&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0001.004.0076&fileextension=pdf

C0ntr013r

At times, the branch office may determine that a man qualifies for congregation privileges, as he is not considered to be a “known” child molester. He may then move to another congregation. In such cases, the elders would not normally mention anything about his past conduct in the letter of introduction unless the branch office has determined that there is reason to do so.

What does "known" mean?

Question 4: The January 1, 1997, Watchtower article on page 29 states that “a man known to have been a child molester” does not qualify for congregation privileges. What is meant by “known”? 12.

Answer: “A man known to have been a child molester” has reference to the perception of the community and the Christian congregation. It may be one who has sexually abused a minor and who is still viewed negatively by the victim’s family, the congregation, or the elders, or it may be one who is viewed by the community or secular authorities as someone who is a sexual abuser of minors, whether the abuse has been established by the congregation or not. Such a man is not “free from accusation” or “irreprehensible.” Neither does he have “a fine testimony from people on the outside.” (1 Tim. 3:1-7, 10; 5:22; Titus 1:7) In view of his notorious past, people in the community would not respect him, and the brothers may even stumble if he were appointed.

So if it is not common knowledge in the congregation or known to the authorities, it is okay to appoint?

No, they are not hiding pedophiles at all...

If you molested a child is not important, what is important is if anyone knows about it!?!?

Absolutely crazy!!

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A conversation with some one relating to the investigation in australia

by joe134cd in

just thought i would relate a conversation i was having with a some what of a wishey washey jw.

first of all i was sitting having breakfast this morning listening to the trial highlights provided by barbra anderson.

i could just feel my blood boiling ( this was also combined that i was also feeling rather lousy from a cold).

C0ntr013r

Do you mean that they spearheaded the reform process, or that they "started" it by covering up their own abuses?

Investigation into the catholic church started the process.