Posts by C0ntr013r

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Latest on Greg Stafford

by Nitty-Gritty in

for all those who know who greg stafford is/was.

the former "apostate/apologist and author of three dissertations and other books, is on page 2 of the march 2016 meeting work book.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/march-2016-mwb/meeting-schedule-mar7-13/welcome-memorial-guests/.

C0ntr013r

Not sure it is him, maybe someone who looks similar?

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Greg Stafford no longer a JW

by My Struggle in

this may be old news to some while most won't even know who he is.

in case you don't know him, he was a jw that defended many of the jw doctrine publicly.

he did this mainly in the form of two books, jw's defended and three dissertations on the teachings of jw's.

Part 3- Finale- Settlement Meeting with Circuit Overseer

by Randy M. in

this is the finale of my meeting with watchtower's circuit overseer henry turner in an attempt to reach a settlement agreement with some kind of resolution .

if you watched the 1st 2 parts you will need to see this because it is in my opinion the best part.

i have also included more still shots of the players so that it will be easier to follow.

C0ntr013r

That ending prayer thou... Disgusting!!

Full of agenda and manipulation

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My experience with the people in my hall

by Freeandclear in

i've been awake now for about 6 months i'd guess and a member here for a couple of weeks.

it's been eye opening to read other peoples experiences on here and i appreciate all of you.

i've noticed in many, seemingly most, of your comments that you were not treated well at your hall or you have had very negative experiences in the "org" so i thought i'd like to share mine.. in all my time as a jw i have to say for the most part i always loved the people.

C0ntr013r

My experiences are similar, I think there are many genuine people trapped in the Borg...

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

C0ntr013r

So if not the Mormons, who else is nearer to the truth from the bible? There must be some other religion that ticks most of the boxes?

One important thing to remember is that religons make their own boxes. The bible can be interpreted in many ways.

For example, the scripture:

not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

JWs interpret this as a command to come together at the meetings and worship.

But I could instead interpret it as encouragement to socialize with fellow believers.

Many of the boxes JWs say they "check" are based on their own interpretation. Another religious group might have other boxes that are based on their interpretation.

"We are the only religious group fulfilling the requirements that we made up"

"The ring of truth" is a very interesting concept. I believe that it has a direct link with how our brains interpret the world. If something surprises us or shocks us, we have a tendency to disbelieve or question it.

Example:

"descended from aliens, could that really be true??"

Since it does not fit our world view, we will automatically question its validity.

And it is the same thing with things that we do expect.

"I have a dog in my house" is much easier for you to accept at face value than "I have elephant in my house". And psychologically that could be called "the ring of truth". If you where brought up a mormon, their views would have the ring of truth and JWs would not. This is a bit oversimplified since your believes and world view aren't static but I hope you get the idea.

Something that fits into "your reality" (how YOU see the world, your worldview) will have the ring of truth and vice versa.

Hope this helps :)

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A lot of "forbidden" talk is going on among witnesses

by nevaagain in

jw
friends

me and my wife are still "in".

we had the "talk" a couple of times, but shet is not ready to leave yet.

while a couple of years ago she started crying on the thought that i am an "apostate" and even gave me an ultimatum until she would rat me out to the elders (never happened), now i sense that she might is a little bit more open to the the thought to leave one day .... anyway, all out friends and family are still in the truth and whenever we are meeting with other witnesses topic #1 is always the recent changes to the meetings / conventions (reduced to one day) which always lead to the changes to the magazines and the recent lay offs of the special pioneers and bethelites.

C0ntr013r

I have similar "discussions" with my family from time to time, it is really nice that I have gotten to that point with them. I have found that most topics are fine to discuss if you are respectful. Took many years of conversation to get to this point though. Happy for you! :)

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Your Opinion Pleeease

by thankyou in

jw girl non-jw guy.

tenuous boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.

what is more likely to strengthen a relationship?.

C0ntr013r

Sounds like it might work itself out for you then, nice! Keep us posted! :)

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

C0ntr013r

It certainly does a much better job explaining the weirder shit found in nature...

You never bought the: "God has humor" argument?

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Old, Faithful and Forgotten...

by rrb2016 in

had a conversation with my jw mother the other day.

she has been baptized for over 50 years.

i've been out for 30 years, but because both my mother and mother-in-law are jw's i keep up with all things jw.

C0ntr013r

Wonder if that was the condition apple had to give the GB gold apple watches xD

"Force your members to buy tablets and we will sponsor you with our most expensive 17 000 dollar watches" :P

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

C0ntr013r

Thanks millie210! :)

I hope it helps someone, it took a while to write :P

The tools that helps you get to the conclusion is much more important than the conclusion itself. Because the tools can be used to form a different opinion if the premises change(or your understanding of them).