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  Further developments in my JC

  by teel in

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  short review: the elders "invited" me to a friendly chat with 3 elders.

  i told them since it's about my official status with jw's i request an official invitation in writing.

  they denied it, and went ahead and kept the jc without me, notifying me that i'm df'd and if i want to appeal, send it in writing (btw: .

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  Am I hearing this right? Could you bring your lawyer to a JC? Is your case special/unusual somehow?
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  How Shunning Defeats The Watchtower

  by metatron in

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  i know my remarks in this regard are small solace for those affected but i think they can offer a little hope.

  it is shunning in particular that is leading to ultimate defeat of the watchtower cult.. how so?

  well, any policy followed to an extreme results in the opposite consequences.

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  "Apostates" is such a relative term now. Enemies accuse each other of apostasy. JWs say Judaism and christendom is are apostate religions.
  
  Just like countries accuse insurgents as terrorists.
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  Change We Can - Scandal and Corruption

  by book in

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  suggestion:.

  1. limit assignment and term of elders and pioneers.

  they should rotate periodically.

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  Correction - "keep the kingdom first" should be "keep seeking the kingdom first".
  
  Many JW victims refuse to be aware, but they spend inordinately time and effort in the preaching work. Some just love to go with others even though they are not finding interested ones for a very long time. At the end of the day, they are physically drained and sad to say emotionally dependent on other people but their real JW family.
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  Change We Can - Scandal and Corruption

  by book in

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  suggestion:.

  1. limit assignment and term of elders and pioneers.

  they should rotate periodically.

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  Suggestion:

  1. Limit assignment and term of Elders and Pioneers. They should rotate periodically. Allowing them to serve continuously is a bad idea.
  2. Never say/present in the Talks that you will help in marriage.
  3. Make it very clear that you are no longer into marriage counselling.
  4. Advise your flock to seek professional marriage counsellor.

  Reason:

  There's a popular saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely". I think long-times Elders and Pioneers are experiencing this.

  Although everybody gossips, these leaders harmfully gossip about everything that happens to everyone. There is no confidentiality. This changed the expectations and perception of my spouse and worsened my marriage.

  When the Elders then want to help, but instead promoted themselves and their intangible qualities. My natural respect left they evaporated.

  Now no one will help to undo the years of eroding damage. Apparently, the Elders in my local congregation have exited marriage counselling.

  In reality, family and marriage is not priority among Jehovah's Witnesses, especially when the Elders and Poineers stubbornly recommend to you to keep the kingdom first - which is spend more time preaching aimlessly and make service fruitlessly as "happy pill". All effort is done except to address the lingering family and marital issues.
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  Brooklyn Watchtower properties valued at over $1 billion

  by Dogpatch in

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  from the brooklyn heights blog: http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/20524.

  the real deal looks at the watchtowers brooklyn heights real estate holdings and speculates how much the organization could make once it decides to put its remaining properties here on the market:.

  the real deal: over the next decades, the watchtower bible and tract society, as it is officially known, bought up some incredibly valuable real estate as its operation expanded.

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  Brooklyn Watchtower properties may have to be sold like BP, if facing a deluge of lawsuits.
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  Change We Can - Ministerial Service

  by book in

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  suggestion:.

  since the society is looking for young men to be ministerial servants, why not include qualified single women?

  women already lead as pioneers.. women already work in the society and branch offices.

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  jwfacts: Sorry, I was on defensive mode. I'm a "green apple" to this forum. So I'm blind to some idioms.

  To all, especially the change enablers:

  Although I have a personal experience as MS, it was a tragedy. I never had any vice, never had speeding ticket, a lone provider and I was an idealist.

  I was humble, responsible and admitted someone elses mistakes as mine. Now I met my real limits, I have many illness after years to stress and pressures from world, family and religion.

  All religion has to say is you lack faith, you didn't study enough, it's really your fault.

  I have to survive, I have to change, otherwise, my blood pressure, diabetes, nervous breakdown, insomnia, allergies, migraines will kill me one way or the other. What I am now is least desirable to your paradise.

  There are some men like me, please make the change so that they do not end up like me. Otherwise, history will repeat itself.
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  Change We Can - Ministerial Service

  by book in

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  suggestion:.

  since the society is looking for young men to be ministerial servants, why not include qualified single women?

  women already lead as pioneers.. women already work in the society and branch offices.

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  elderelite: "Think about all the head covering info... I just dont see it happening"

  - If "head covering" is a principle seldom practiced, then why hold on to authority/headship instead of service. In this real world women now have more privilege and respect.

  Women who can should share the burden accordingly. In experiencing the burdens, then most would TRULY appreciate what the leadership does. Don't you think the women (including elder's wives) are murmuring and gossip about their congregation's authority.

  There's a saying "well come on in see (and feel) for yourselfs we have nothing to hide" - be a part of the solution not the problem.

  Remember, I am just boldly suggesting.
  
  I'm a think tank in my company, a major bank. When they listen, then there is progress. Initially, they "beat me up" (my performance, my salary). Now they pay and now they are changing too much. This is a worldly company. It is sad to say the Society is no different.
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  Change We Can - Ministerial Service

  by book in

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  suggestion:.

  since the society is looking for young men to be ministerial servants, why not include qualified single women?

  women already lead as pioneers.. women already work in the society and branch offices.

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  When I was MS, I never thought of authority just SERVICE as in ministerial SERVICE.
  
  The tasks and duties were overwhelming. Especially when there is zeal, everyone seems to forget modesty.
  
  We are in critical times and top management should be flexible and agile. If MS is too controversial, then why not create another title say CA = congregational assistant.
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  Change We Can - Ministerial Service

  by book in

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  suggestion:.

  since the society is looking for young men to be ministerial servants, why not include qualified single women?

  women already lead as pioneers.. women already work in the society and branch offices.

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  leavingwt: "If I may ask, what is your opinion of apostates?" - After being repeatedly wronged, "beaten down and left for dead" - Once I've been taught to dread and shun apostates. Now there's no hate. Apostates are humans and as "outcast" as I am now.

  yknot: "Sisters sashaying down the aisle, leaning over to pass the mic......gosh I can here the counsel now" - Okay, I overlooked that. There's always the counter, and other non-menial tasks; which the brothers may be too exhausted to do. You choose yours tasks.

  jwfacts: "That would go against the rules of headship, a very important part of the power structure. Remember it is about rules and not principles." - what rule? the judgement on Eve?
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  Change We Can - Ministerial Service

  by book in

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  suggestion:.

  since the society is looking for young men to be ministerial servants, why not include qualified single women?

  women already lead as pioneers.. women already work in the society and branch offices.

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  Suggestion:

  Since the society is looking for young men to be ministerial servants, why not include qualified single women? Women already lead as pioneers.

  Women already work in the society and branch offices. In our modern society, women have proven to be good workers, professionals and managers.

  It is a matter of relative interpretation that men ***and women*** may become ministerial servants, just as we train our sons ***and daugthers***.

  I attended a kingdom hall that had a woman serving at the counter. Why not make it officially?

  I know we should "not take down fences without knowing the reasons", but this is something that could be discontinued if real and compelling issues arise. Who knows, the "fences" were for no reason at all. And if recruiting women proves to be successful, then why not consider them to elder service also.

  Say increase the MS pool, the more help/collaboration, the less overwhelming the tasks and issues. Make it easy, for ministerial servants to take a leave or even step down. Revalidate the MS periodically for everybody's good, health and welfare

  I have been a ministerial servant, but after years of real pressure, then harmful gossiping, then harmful meddling - my family and marriage has been broken.

  I think including single women who can be dedicated in their service may help solve the perceived ministerial servant shortage.