I didnt believe the evidence that things were very wrong in there until it was forced upon me....then I had to believe it, but it took me around 3 years to actually give up hoping I was wrong....then I found you all...
Loz x
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How Long Did It Actually Take You To Leave The Organization?
by minimus ini started reading "apostate" books when i was a teen at the library.
it was more curiousity than anything else.
at home, i used to read all the old publications and i'd notice how beliefs had changed.. with ray franz's books that i read clandestinely, i started to realize the truth about "the truth".
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Why do I suddenly get stupid when the elders talk to me
by JWinprotest indoes anyone else have the same problem.
when i'm alone, i am constantly thinking about all the clever things i'm going to say if visited by the elders, but when i actually get confronted, these things never come to mind, and i keep spitting out drivel like some dumb idiot.
after they leave, i rethink the conversation, and i'm furious over all the oppotunities i've missed to put them in their place.......damn it!!!!!
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I consider myself to be pretty intelligent and can normally hold my own rather well...but it was always the same for me ...as soon as I was faced with a couple of elders (even when I wasnt in trouble) I seemed to just speak drivel like some stupid moron.
Loz x
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Ray Franz has had a stroke
by coffee_black injust setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
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So sad at this update .... praying for strength for Cynthia ...what a fine couple of human beings...
Loz x
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thankyou all who have shown support to me and goodbye for now x
by looloo ini first came on this site around the time we were waiting the my daughters abuser to face justice in crown court , we got no justice (due to lack of evidence) but his other victims had a very small section of the abuse they suffered legally recognised , due to a deal being done with the defence , so we waited 20 months to give evidence just to be dropped at the last minute for a "deal" my by now ex best friend decided to stand by the child rapist !as did some of his family despite him being a disfellowshipped person (he was not disfellowshipped for child abuse ) and they are all jws !
isold my house and left the town i once loved as i couldnt bare to be in the same town as him when he left prison (he did 18 months of a 3 year sentence ) and see his supportive family knocking on doors taliking of truth made me feel like screaming at them "what about my poor girl , wheres your support for her , you hypocrites "my daughter is still very much affected by what happened to her age 13 , sexual, physical and mental abuse over months and months .
but i also have a 6 year old girl who was only 20 months old when i found out and reported the abuse to the police , and the long process started , for the next 20 moths i could think of nothing but giving evidence in court and trying to support my girl who was also terrified of that , my little one was 3 and a half when he was sentenced and i looked back and realised i had hardley taken any notice of her since i found out about my other girls abuse , i had missed out on so much of her best times , learning new words etc , i was too preoccupied .
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So glad you are feeling able to move on...all the best you and your family sweetheart
Loz x
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Adherence to FALSE TEACHINGS required of Jehovah's people: Scottish Court Case transcripts confirm
by Terry inin 1954 a controversial court case, douglas walsh vs. the right honorable james latham clyde, m.p.c.
was held in scotland to determine.
if jehovah's witnesses should be exempt from military service and granted status as "ordained ministers".. what is of outstanding interest is that testimony in this trial is extraordinarily revealing.
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Coincidence ! I'm just reading this transcript in Ray Franz's 'In Search of Christian Freedom' ...I couldnt believe the audacity ....
Loz x
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EASY WAY TO END IT ALL
by QuitWastingTIME ini don't understand... with all the people who are contra-watchtower - i mean all the books, all the websites, all the forums dedicated to "exposing" the watchtower "truth" - why has no one group actually just gone ahead and really exposed it?.
all the proceeds from crisis of conscience or whatever other books (many on amazon.com) or whatever spare money and time people have to create these forums for people of varying degrees of craziness and experience could all go towards one simple solution: infiltrate the governing body "enclave" meeting room with bugged mics and a hidden camera.
really, why hasn't anyone thought of that?
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Hey welcome to the forum...good luck with your plans...crack on ....
Loz x
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6/15/2010 WT Twisting scriptures on disfellowshipping,
by EndofMysteries indisfellowshipping notes - page 14 paragraph 13 - notice how they state disfellowshipping for a man who unrepentently practices fornication.
(it was beyond even that, but with his own mother!
in the scriptures ) .
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Power corrupts..no question..
Loz x
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update on why the Elders have been so busy trying to contact me
by troubled mind inthey have stopped by our house multiple times (we have been gone or just ignored their knocks) multiple phone messages requesting it is urgent that i call them back .
(screened all calls lately ).
today the phone rings and i tell my husband screw it i am answering and putting an end to this .. the elder on the other line is not the one that has been stopping by ,but rather my husbands ex-nephew through marriage .
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I dont see how they can bring a case for apostasy or anything else on the basis of someone else viewing your private account???? Surely, despite their strong warnings and 'advice' there is no disfellowshipping offence for watching an anti JW video?? I'd be inclined to deny it anyway just to be perverse since you shouldnt be required to answer to it at all....
Hope you're ok Troublemind...
Loz x
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Ray Franz has had a stroke
by coffee_black injust setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
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May God bless them both ...I owe him some real gratitude...x
Loz x
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How do you tell the family?
by joeblow inmoved to a better forum location.
sorry... i'm a dummy... i re-posted in the private forum.
i didn't see a way to delete this thread before someone posted to it :-(.
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I think in your shoes I'd just carry on as you are and not discuss it...it should be possible at that distance...change the subject or go off on tangents ...whatever. I'm sure its much less damaging that way, so that even if they 'know' they arent really sure you've left and therefore dont have to confront it in a big way....just my opinion though....by the way..Welcome to the forum, I hope it helps you as much as its helped me...
Loz x