Gal. 6:10
Challenge an elder to read and do that. The VAST majority will not.
Then have them read Ezekiel 34...... look familiar?
i wanted to be an one of the brothers the elders took under there wing,but i had to much baggage ( reproved 3 times and currently d.f ).
yes i've seen elders take m.s'es and turn them into elders.
i had a friend who was an m.s an elder took him and now he's an elder.
Gal. 6:10
Challenge an elder to read and do that. The VAST majority will not.
Then have them read Ezekiel 34...... look familiar?
i found it amazing being raised in the witnesses to see exactly who got appointed sometimes as an elder.
it seemed that the criteria in my opinion had more to do with getting 10 hours a month in field service, answering at meetings, carrying microphones as a ministerial servant, or handling the magazine or literature counter !
in doing these " functions " and attending meetings on a regular basis - a man was thought to be considered " spiritually strong " and qualify to be an elder and serve on judicial committees judging people's personal problems.
I served for 17 years.
I've been one of those 'appointing' others.
Trust me when I tell you that you just need 10 hours a month.
I've served with many that were just alcoholics. Others that liked porn.
I would never allow my child to sit with an elder. Never.
most of us either when exiting the witnesses or after exiting have certain beliefs/practices that bothered us so much we could not suport this organization anymore.
what were your breaking points ?
here were a few of mine :.
Christianity Ala Carte
They pick and choose what is important....what is worthy of discipline...
Convenient application of the Mosaic Law....though completely abolished by the Son of God.
There insane way of applying scriptures would allow a man to beat his wife, right?
Afterall, when married, the Bible says you are 'one flesh'...and Paul said "to lead pummel your body and lead it as a slave"
Its Christianity Ala Carte......steal from that, leave that there, steal from that, leave that there.......
Adultery and Slander............same verse..... one gets a JC, the other gets ignored.
after reading on the way out's thread about his mom explaining the generation overlap to him it kicked this idea into my head to make this thread .
i thought it would be helpful to see if anybody here has had jw relatives or friends try to explain this " generation overlap " theory to you as a faded or inactive witness and what happened in the conversations.
so please feel free to post your experiences.
Are you kidding?
I love my family more than anything.....and they me....
.....but even they admit they would have a tough time explaining the difference between Moses and Noah.....much less this science fiction.
sorry, don't know how much you're on here, or check your pm, kind of time-sensitive, and i know i'm being cryptic, sorry.
i sent you pm..
Hi Odrade,
I'm just checking in here.....WOW.....I sent you a PM to answer your questions......let me know if you need anything else.....I can call you.....
just wanted to introduce myself.... .
i am a secret fader but since reading this forum i feel i am alot more confident about telling my family/friends that i don t go to the meetings and inactive.. my hubby is also a fader with me...we kind of drifted after my first baby was born.
she is now 11.. it all started with my mom who started studying with my cousin when i was about 15. while she was studying i also started studying (i was about 16).
hi and welcome.....great people here
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i realized i was hi-jacking another thread so i thought i would start my own topic.. one of my favorite movie scenes is the "to tip or not to tip" scene in reservoir dogs.
i don't care for all the blood in tarantino movies but he is, without a doubt, a genius.. .
This is one of my all time favorite scenes.
LOVE IT...especially the unspoken relationship between the king and his queen
at her recent thread, changeling was asking us if there are more men than women leaving the org.
lets find out.. .
i am a male.
male
apologies if this is old news.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giol10a6fvw&feature=related.
Surreal.
I can't believe I used to give those talks.
That has got to be one of the lamest.....absolutely RIDICULOUS things I've ever listened to.
By the way...I drive a car, which was invented by Henry Ford.....therefore, we 'overlap'.......and are part of the same generation.
When they cameraman scans the crowd....its the same old thing......half the people are day dreaming......the other half are passionately taking notes......
This new 'generations' change is an epic teaching..... and the greater majority can't tell you anything about it. Nothing. Nada. The speaker himself sounds less than confident...... like he is trying hard to NOT mess it up.
i was a jehovah's witness for 10 long years and during that time i developed the opinion that most of the world knew what we believed, but chose to ignore it and go about doing their own thing.
then in the almost 18 years i have been out, i have come to understand that the outside world knows very little about jw's.
other than they don't take blood transfusions and do not celebrate holidays, most people have no idea what we believe and only think of them as another offbeat religion among many.. did anyone else think that the jw religion was more known than it actually is?.
The sad thing?
Outlaw is so correct.......that even JW's could care less about missing JW's......