Welcome to the party Promithieus......there are a lot of us ex-elders here.......
Fun group of people......hope to see you post more
i'm a new member & i'd like to say hi to everyone, intoducing myself.. i am a 3rd generation born-in at mid 50's & an active elder.. english is not my mother language, so pls ignore any grammatical errors.
i live in a small country in europe.. i'd like to thank you for all information posted.
some of them have rally helped me to understand and examine again my beliefs.. last new light concerning f&ds=gb has verified the idea that they are popes in the position op pope.. i still believe in god & in his son jesus christ but not in the gb..
Welcome to the party Promithieus......there are a lot of us ex-elders here.......
Fun group of people......hope to see you post more
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You asked what was going through most Witnesses minds....let me help:
Almost nothing about their religion.
Most of them are so uneducated it would shock you. They don't study, the greater majority have never read the Bible, much less their own literature. They are caught up in a repetitive schedule.......it pacifies their minds that they are doing something good......
To test the theory, ask one what happened in 1919. Most of them have no clue.
They are thinking about bills, work, stress, gossip, hiding their drinking/porn. Almost none of them think about anything deeper than what outfit to wear when it comes to a District Convention.
so i started a reply on the topic of "what's your status?
" and it made me think about my df hearing (sorry i can't remember the exact term for what happened).. so i was fading, living in a different country, working & making rare appearances at my kingdom hall.
i was flat sharing with a sister though.
I've served on hundreds of committees.....and I can tell you....the vast majority of elders I served with watched porn and literally got turned on by hearing other people's sexual details.
So sick
.
the loneliest place on the planet for me was the kingdom hall.
.
There are many, many people that can relate to that feeling.
Self admission: once as an elder a sister came to me to tell me she enjoyed my talk......I said thank you and asked if she was visiting. She looked at me strange and said "I've been coming here for over a year"
I was looking for a hole to crawl into. And I prided myself on knowing everyone.
I'll never forget how terrible I felt.
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Long a pet project story for me.........but not any longer.
Many believe he killed the baby BECAUSE it was in the line leading to the Messiah.....and illegitimate.
Before you say it.....NO, it doesn't make sense.......Rahab was a hooker and got be in the line to Christ.....but an innocent baby?
Don't get a migraine thinking about this too long.......
i am technically inactive.
i was just curious if there are many people on the inside.
are there any within bethel itself?
Left in 2009 for good.
Apostate.
Happy.
i'm a bit excited about this to be honest with you.
i'm not even remotely a cycling fan, but all this controversy made it a bit difficult to simply ignore.
i'm curious to see how he does when those questions come at him full force.
I just wish it was Erin Andrews
he's not the only fool to learn that the person he thought was his girlfriend was in fact not real.
here to to manti, the poster child for good guys who got suckered,,,,,,
^^ He sure is James.......
I'm actually more shocked by the stupidity of Notre Dame and yesterday's press conference.
Do they not realize we all have Youtube, as well as thousand of other references, that will completely expose what this kid did?????
So weird!!!
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i just wanted to share with you, briefly, what i have come to understand as to why disfellowshipping by the wtbts works... why it can continue being fomented as it is.
i realize there are pages and pages of studies regarding cults and cult mindsets, etc., but i am not going to inundate you with such but rather try to keep this simple.
Thank you for your honesty AGuest........and the clarification that you're a female.
With that said, I've served on hundreds.....mostly as the chairman..... I dealt with everything from rape, to smoking, to child abuse, to homosexuality.
With that much experience, I can tell you unequivocally that Disfellowshipping does not work, it has never worked, its insane and whatsmore..........its not remotely Biblical.
I now confess I didn't read your paragraphs of information because I don't have to. DFing is nothing more than a mechanism made by Knorr in 1942 in an effort to control people.
When you've served as an elder for many, many years and have been in a cramped room with broken hearted people.....then you can comment on this subject. Since you seem to pride yourself on being a 'christian woman'.....you might want to take the path of humility here...... its like telling people how you understand being an astronaut...... when you've never even watched 2001 Space Odyssey, much less been to space.
he's not the only fool to learn that the person he thought was his girlfriend was in fact not real.
here to to manti, the poster child for good guys who got suckered,,,,,,
A break?
go back and look at interview from September and October where he explains how they met on the campus of Stanford and she visited Hawaii.
This kid isn't innocent.