hello all, i am an exjw just trying to figure out whether this is a projw site or not.
i grew up in the cincinnati, oh area, father was (and still is) an elder.
brother died at age 20 because a blood transfusion was refused for him by the elders and he left a wife and little girl behind.
Welcome Married2Ranger!!
((((hugs))))
Hey is your hubby a ranger as in the army? Just wondering..my childrens Uncle was one and I ahev fam that were in the Marines.
Hope you like it here...I'm new 2 but I Love it here already!
bye bye 4 now!!
agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
rev 18:4 warns us to "get out of her my people.......",
if we are/were his people, we would have got out of babylon the great before entering the ranks of jehovah's witnesses.
the question is - why is he saying my people, who are the " my people" that he is talking to and where are such ones to "get out from" ?
What's wrong with saying "Agape" paduan??
Not just JW's say that your know.
Please explane.....
agape
Utopian_Raindrops
bye bye 4 now
this experience just blew me out of the water, even though i thought i had heard it all, and have been "out" for many years.. my children (now adults), who have a father still as a jw, heard from said father and step-mom, about a sister in their congregation.
they related how a sister in their congregation (a pioneer) and an elder were reproved at the same time about a year ago.
gossip was, (of course this was by worldly people, since jw's do not gossip) that the 2 of them (the pioneer and elder were fooling around.
You know DAZED we are all told to put up with each other as JW's and recently the CO gave a talk on how we needed to put up with and not agrivate the elders!! He showed how the people cause Moses to sin by being over critical of him.
Thing is I say how much PUTTING up do the sheep have to do with OVER BEARING....UN KIND elders.
When I went to them I was in real need and they kicked me to the curb......and as for fairness to women.....
I know a young girl dissed not because she wasn't repentant..(she was extreemly sorry!)..but because she was PREGNANT!!! the boy got PRIVATE reproof!!! Because his sin did not show!! She was publicly punished and shunned for being a woman!!
If a man sins in this manor no one can see but, if a woman does EVERYONE knows! On top of many times she is left to raise the child alone.
It is the act without the marrage bond that is the sin....not the child!!!
Acording to the bible children are gifts from Jehovah...not PUNISHMENTS!!
If Jehovah felt she should have this child then he was blessing her!! Most single moms I know in the truth are saved by thier children because, they are trying so hard to raise them right.....not running wild but putting the child before themselves.
I can not believe such a barbaric practice as punishing a woman for her feminity is practiced among"God's People"!
On the other hand I know a woman who's husband is a pasture and she tutors pregnant teens so they don't miss any of thier high school and can graduate on time!! That's LOVE 4 you!!
By the way....the young girl and her boyfriend got married!!! They're very happy and deeply in love!!
bye bye 4 now
agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
i know the bible is true because.... * it is infallible.
there is not one contradiction with these pages.
humans are fallible; the bible is not.. * the word of god is the source of true wisdom.
Thanx Chef 4 sharing!!
Very touching poem......I have never given up on the bible....just on imperfect people.
((((((hugs)))))
bye bye 4 now
agape,
Utopian Raindrops
for the first time in nearly two years, we were invited out for a meal by a bunch of dubs from the cong'.
the former po, his wife and mother-in-law and a couple of single mums and their kids.
frankly i could've done without it - all the pretence etc.
You know when I was a JW one thing I was PROUDof was we were suposed to be FREE From SUPERSTION.
Instead there seems to be an UN-HEALTHY fear of anything that MIGHT be Demonic to the extreem!
There was this family at our old hall that were always seeing demonic things they claimed.
Once they said a clock they borrowed from worldly neighbors was dancing around thier house! Thier kids were afraid even if a bush swayed in a breeze! Thier youngest son would run screaming DEMONS!!!
Odd thing is they are the most respected fam in that cong. Now that I look back it doesn't surprise me that the husband was the elder on my judicial commity.
I actually feel sorry for them though and have even prayed for them sometimes.
The wife has a chemical embalance and grew up in an abusive family...how can i resent them...you know.
Back to subject......
POKEMON is considered a real Demonic show by alot of JW's and then I read an article in a Schoolastic mag that said the creator got the idea for them because he used to collect bugs as a child!! and POKEMON just means Pocket Monsters.
I had actually tried realy hard to avoid a harmless cartoon for years! I used to get so mad at Burger King cause they kept giving out POKEMON toys in thier kids meals. All the friends had told me to stay away from them and protect my kids.
I felt so STUPID when I read the interview with the creator that I decided to investigate on my own and not take others advice on what my kids should see or not see.
Besides some of the same people who gave me this advice about a simple cartoon let thier kids watch such ADULT movies made for older teens and grown ups.
I think it comes down to you have to use your brain God gave you and not let OTHERS control you!
Well bye bye 4 now
agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
the armenian community in england was wanting people to stop their exclusion in the holocaust remembrance day and the society is one of the organizations they wanted to be contacted.
check out the list of ngos, etc.
they want you to write at:.
Randy,
I have been writing the "Bible Students" this is my letter and then thier reply.....
----- Original Message ----- From: u r To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: Wondering....Please , I Am Wondering If Your Religious Group Is Mentioned At The Holocaust Museum? You Have The Same Roots As Jehovah Witness And Are Actually Religious Cousins. Hope You Don't Mind Me Saying That.
I Figure Since You are Around Not All The Bible Students Who Suffered The Holocaust Became JW. So If You Could Please E-Mail Me And Let Me Know.
Thanks,
Agape And Jah Bless,
U.R.
Thier reply....... This message is not flagged. [ Flag Message - Mark as Unread ]
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:10:53 -0500 From: "Bible Students" < [email protected]> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book Subject: Re: Wondering.... To: "u r" < [email protected]>
Dear Friend: Christian greetings. Unfortuantely, the Witnesses in Europe, particularly in Germany adopted the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" in the 1950s, up till then they were called "Ernest Bible Students", thus confusion with the independent BIble Students. Although the holocaust museum is aware that there were two Bible Student groups persecuted for their beliefs, they ave not made any chnages. Some of those listed as "Jehovah's Witnesses" are actually Bible Students, persecuted for their Zionist views. Hope this helps! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My question Randy is why is this so....that the WBTS would take credit for even persons that are not thier own members? They have enough marters to show a stand was made. This seems bad form to me. Do you know anything of this? Don't you think maybe we should all write the Holocaust museum and insist on accurate reprisentation? It would at least get some press if the subject were brought up....Don't you think? Make the brothers have to be honest on all things! Ty for listening. agape, bye bye 4 now Utopian_Raindrops
where in the watch tower publications does it say that jw family members should not associate with a family member that has been disfellowshipped or disassociated.
i will be going to court to get access to my daughter cassandra and joint custody.
for the past several months, i have not been able to have any visits with her.
1st ting I'd do,is go to QUOTES http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/ You will be able to find all the incriminating evidance there! Also though......I will do some research for you....there are articles that show a child MUST honor thier parent no matter what. Most JW don't follow that because they believe they are saving thier childs life So any way...GO TO QUTOES and get reading agape, Utopian_Raindrops bye bye 4 now
found this little snippet on a jw website: .
no.1 jw question: .
could you help me find information?
LOL Refiner!!!
Sorry, I was joking with yas
In a bit of a sassy mood today!
Figured peeps would see that.
Here's a ((((hugs)))) and a good nieghbor kiss((X))
bye bye 4 now and agape dude!
Utopian_Raindrops
found this little snippet on a jw website: .
no.1 jw question: .
could you help me find information?
Me Refiners?
You don't have to worry about that..cause I'm toast and bird food in the end anyway
AHhhhhDid I say that?
bye bye 4 now
agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
found this little snippet on a jw website: .
no.1 jw question: .
could you help me find information?
I have to say with shame...in the begining I was like that... But then as time went by and I saw UNRIGHTIOUS disfellowshipments.....those who were in REAL need and were not rebelious when dissed...I couldn't behave so UN-Christ like.
I also saw some treated very badly and just unable to step foot in th KH without worrying about more mistreatment....they would fade away...and I would be so very sad. I'd wonder don't the elders see him/her fading.
I started reaching out to every dissed person I knew and those fading. I would tell them they could sit by me and my kids...that this was JEHOVAH'S Kingdom Hall...NOT mans. Most would turn me down. I used to wonder why. I thought to have at least one friend would make its easier to serve Jah.
I think it was just too sad for them to attend...even with one friend.
There was one dissed sis though who was always semi-homeless(she always had a place to sleep just not her own) I would have her sit by me or infrount of me and we'd share bibles or study books.she was always loosing them since she didn't have a reagular home. Sometimes I'd hold her hand...(we never verbally spoke during this time...)after I was dissed while I was still atending there I'd put my arm around her. She is a wonderful woman. She just has some problems due to abuse growing up and then spousal abuse while married.
Before I was dissed if someone had asked me about a gathering that included ones who faded away....I would have said ,"Go and see why they have left...maybe you can help."
That was my way as a JW for the last 7 years of my activity.
Ty for listening
bye bye 4 now
agape,
Utopian_Raindrops
