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What is a Cult? (all 4 parts)

by Joyzabel in

what is a cult?

(part 1)

i was never in a cult.

Utopian_Raindrops

Thank You so much Joy for putting this thread together! It realy gives one alot to think about!

Still and all being a Christian of any kind is a restrictive life style. It is about being different from those not serving The Christ and His Father Our Creator and Putting On The New Personality. So many Christian Religions would have much of what is in your report and seem cult like.

What made me apreciate your report most though is your comments(thanks for your thoughts) and then the added posts of others on this forum.

Mebeme brought out how picky in your life you have to be as JW and I can tell you I have at times spent a good hour trying to find barrattes and other excessories that didn't have a pagen patternOr compleately censored my style of music....not based on content of lyrics but on music STYLE. Which should realy be a prefrence. We did not have beautiful windchimes and broke crosses off of chess pieces. We used to buy holiday candy after the fact...January sales....thought myself clever paying so much less....then the CO at Assembly gave a talk about this.....etc etc etc. It can be down right exhusting. The old swollowing a camel trick

refiners fire showing quotes from publications that even wanted you to not have business associates to keep in touch with.....I do trust Jehovah to provide ofcourse but, we are suposed to do the leg work! Still and all many Christian faiths give most of the advice he posted with on exception....You can not get disfellowshipped for not adhearing to what is your entertainment and as a JW you can!

Isn't that amazing.....if an elder aproches you and councels you on your entertainment and you do not change....he can say you have taken a bad attitude and out you go!

Isn't that amazing.....no more family and friends over maybe a comic or a rated R movie??

Maybe this doesn't happen often but that fact that it could and it has......

Well you be the judge.......what to think of that.

but I find it amazing that the Apostle's Paul and Barnabas could have an argument and nether of them removed but, If you disagree with an Elder.....You can and are removed.

That is that!

Thank-you Joy and everyone.......

I am still deciding what to do myself on this issue.

There is alot of soul searching going on here.......I am so very grateful for everyones help.

agape,

Flowers 2 all

Utopian_Raindrops

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 16 December 2002 2:47:42

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THINKING IN PICTURES

by Utopian_Raindrops in

since coming here i found many here are like me....they have an autistic child.

one woman who's work with animals has helped the autistic is dr. temple grandin....who her slef is autistic.

one of the amazing things of the autisitc is that 3d picture is thier 1st language not the spoken word.

Utopian_Raindrops

(((((((hugs)))))) Brummie,

Thank you so much for sharing,"You Want To Take Away My Window" with me!

It is sooooooo beautiful and true.(Of course)

My son (as all special people) is a great person to have as a part of my life!

I love the way he thinks......it can be very cute and is truely pure.

I loved reading Thinking In Pictures because it helped me understand how my son thinks.Since the spoken word is his second language(he is still working on it in therapy) we have found ways to describe to him what is going on.....for instance.

When there is change....and he hates change.....he sometimes has a fit...for wich long ago I stated the"squeezing " to help him through with whispers of love an encouragment in his ears. To get him to understand how this looks when he has a fit I showed him a spoiled bannana. I explaned his fits were "acting spoiled" and this was what a spoiled bannana looked like. He so hated it that he ran to a mirror to see his skin...and kept rubbing it to see if he had black spots,sayin"I no spoild"...poor guy. It took a quite a few times but, soon enough he understood that his fits looked as bad as that bannana and now when ever he has a fit I whisper in his ear,"You look like a spoiled bannana" or just "spoiled bannana" and the imagery is usually enough to get him to stop.

The story you posted reminded me of my son alot. Long ago he had been misdiagnosed as hearing impared because he seemed not to hear the world around him and couldn't even answer the simple question,"What is your name?" It seems often my son is in his own world but some how at the same time when he expresses himself he has not missed a beat!

I am very grateful to his speach therapist who when she started her work with my son didn't even know his true challenges and yet she could find ways to help him see her and react to her. She is truely a beautiful and special woman. I am sure all the special people you work with and thier familys see you Brummie as a beautiful person and a gift from Our God.

Thank-you so mush for sharing with me...for you sweet friend

agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 16 December 2002 1:49:34

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 16 December 2002 1:52:53

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Bad things in JWs eyes

by rebel in

joy2bfree's post on cults got me thinking.. was anyone else told that certain harmless things (harmless in my eyes) were satanic.. i know you have all mentioned smurfs, but i was also told that the 'my little pony' toys were demonic because they were designed by a wizard?????

did i really believe this rubbish - my daughter always wanted one but i wouldn't buy one for her cos i thought i would be inviting demons into my house - i feel really rotten now!.

also wind chimes (which i always wanted cos i love the sound), anything written by sir arthur conan doyle (and i love sherlock holmes and felt so deprived), the beatles, john denver - can't think of any more at the moment but there were quite a few.

Utopian_Raindrops

[email protected] are the 1st to not be loved BOMBED!! My childrens father had to RUN RUN RUN out of KH this morning as the LOVE BOMBING began!! hehehehehehe I realy think he diserves all the POSITIVE attention as he is a negative person

But in all honesty at another hall we were attending when he and I were married he himself was considered Demonic by one of the brothers studying with him as he told the brother he felt christians had to be kind and loving to homosexual people!! He made it clear he did not suport homosexual activity...hehe.......but that he felt no matter what a person was doing all christians were to be loving and good neighbors to them. This came out years later in the liturature but at this time it caused this brother to start yelling in our house about **FOTS** and how we're to hate them. Funny thing...don't remember Jesus teaching To "Hate Thy Neighbor" but, I always had thought it was this bros and a few other's personal view.

Also, everyone stated and as QUOTES has a new thread at his site......music as a JW is limited even in style. To be JW it is not enough to just make sure the Lyrics are clean for a christian but music style and prefrence is dictated. I went about maybe 8 or 9 years of my time as a JW listening to nothing but,Clasical,Oldies,KS,and of course...**Barny Is A Dinosour...From Our Imagination**...never ending Kids Music. I have been so happy for my new found freedom in music enjoyment....which I claimed for myself long before I was dissed.

The other thing that got me was the constent ridicule of my daughter's art work.....openly Bro's and Sister's would call her work DEMONIC and it realy hindered for sometime. Fourtunatly for her...I kept encouraging her to continue with her work no matter what anyone had said. But,still she almost stopped drawing compleatly when a Kitty Cat she drew for a young girl at KH was very loudly for all to here and passed around and viewed by all...as you guessed it...DEMONIC....a Kitty Cat!!!

She does ANIME style art as well as others and it was realy because she draws and paints in a few different Japanese style art forms.

We were told not to buyor recieve any dolls second hand as you never know what they were used for and jewlery with crystals or stones....semi-understandable but,still paranioa.

I realy don't think the Bros' and Sister's mean to hurt and hinder others in this way...but, it can be almost a Witch Hunt in Old Salem fashion.

I think what it is...is that even though JW's are not isolated in that they do socialize as a group.....they are an ISOLATED community.This means they become supersticious and fearful of "The World" outside thier imaginary boarders and any influance it may rub off in thier mists.

My 2 cents..no refunds

agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

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onthego..Where Did You Find All This Information??

by Utopian_Raindrops in

onthego, .

this is below is what you posted in soledad's thread..... .

where does one find all this information?

Utopian_Raindrops

AHhhhhhh....Thankz for the info Craig and the welcome too

agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

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onthego..Where Did You Find All This Information??

by Utopian_Raindrops in

onthego, .

this is below is what you posted in soledad's thread..... .

where does one find all this information?

Utopian_Raindrops

Onthego,

This is below is what you posted in soledad's Thread.....

Where does one find all this information? I have never seen it before.

Is it part of another Religions "Publications"? Are there any secular works I can find this in?

Thanks in advance....

agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

When they come to visit get their names and addresses then later quietly mail them this:

HI! DID YOU KNOW scholarly studies prove that the Christmas Tree is from the Tree of Eternal Life (Ge 2:9, 3:22) depicted in church plays of the Middle Ages, not Luther or Druid tree-worshippers, although outdated articles for example in World Book Encyclopedia still repeat the legends and Luther may have originated the use of candles attached to Christmas trees. Saint Nicholas was an actual man who in the Middle Ages quietly left dowry gifts that kept Christian girls from being sold into slavery, and heading a congregation at Myra where Turkey now is, he wore red and carried a miter although without reindeer or elves.

The giant cedars of Lebanon used to build the temple at Jerusalem themselves had bright green needles with tan-colored cones, and John 10:22-3 says Christ visited the successor temple during the Jewish "Festival of Dedication," namely Channukah, during winter. Also called the Festival of Lights, it had singing, the carrying of tree branches, homes filled with lights and joy. Celebrated 8 days each time, its date varies yearly but the first Channukah was December 25, making it an even more likely source for the December 25 celebration than Rome's Saturnalia which came later in the month. Some believe Christ was actually born about Oct 1, which would mean Mary conceived 9 months previously, that is about or on December 25. Indeed count 9 months backwards from October to see for yourself. Santa Claus, as said earlier, did not come from a vaguely known Asian god who descended chimneys to bring gifts or Siberian wizards but instead the Christian Nicholaus a famous gift-giver in the Middle Ages.

In fact Christ himself was wrongly attacked as a "glutton and drunkard" simply for believing in a good time (Mt 11:19). He once turned water to wine at a wedding party in Cana (Jn 2:1-11), told followers to invite needy persons to parties (Lu 14:13-14), and accepted gifts including expensive nard oil. Interestingly, Revelation 1:14 even describes the resurrected Christ's hair as like "white wool" or "snow," his cloak was scarlet-colored (red with a bluish tinge--Mt 27:28), and white symbolized purity. True, all that just coincidentally reminds one of Santa Claus, but do note that the earliest Christians enjoyed balanced merriment at "love feasts" (Jude 12), the angels celebrated Christ's birth (Lu 2), and Job's children had enjoyed birthdays (Job 1:3, 3:1, 3).

Most Christmas trees are topped by a star remindful of the Christ star. According to John Mosley's The Christmas Star (1985) from September 3 BC to June 2 BC Jupiter, known as "the royal planet" passed Regulus "the king star" in the constellation Leo, reversed then passed again, turned and passed a 3rd time. By June 17 Jupiter and Regulus were so close they seemed a single star when seen by the eye. This then is one intriguing possible source for the Christ star in the Bible.

Before Christ's birth unspecified men called "magi" in Biblical Greek came from the East first to Jerusalem (Mt 2:1-2) then went on to find the Christ child in Bethlehem. Some translations render the word magi as astrologers because its root like the word "magician" is linked to the idea of being a person of great might but although magi may refer to people who try to predict the future by observing the stars, using omens and consulting spirit beings as forbidden by God at Deuteronomy 18:10-12, it can also refer to people who worked to predict future weather patterns, good times to plant and harvest, buy and sell crops, etc via careful observation of the clouds, stars and other natural phenomena and with very little to absolutely no special focus on the occult at all. So for solid reasons some Bible translations continue to translate magi as simply "wise men" or "stargazers" and this is also supported by the Bibles positively saying they brought gifts for Christ then also protected him by leaving without telling his location to King Herod who wickedly desired to slay him.

Those who kept their families from celebrating Christmas should not be condemned if they were mistaught and so acted out of lack of accurate knowledge in the past but also no one should claim that those who do celebrate the birth of Christ are immature and out of harmony with the Bible even as the preceding information proves. Please read and meditate on what Paul writes at Colossians 2:16.

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JOB OPENING

by Utopian_Raindrops in

jw
friends

position: mom, mama, mother .

job description: long term team players needed for challenging permanent work in an often chaotic environment.

candidates must possess excellent communication and organizational skills and be willing to work variable hours, which will include evenings and weekends and frequent 24 hour shifts on call.

Utopian_Raindrops

POSITION: Mom, Mama, Mother

JOB DESCRIPTION: Long term team players needed for challenging permanent work in an often chaotic environment. Candidates must possess excellent communication and organizational skills and be willing to work variable hours, which will include evenings and weekends and frequent 24 hour shifts on call. Some overnight travel required, including trips to primitive camping sites on rainy weekends and endless sports tournaments in far away cities. Travel expenses not reimbursed. Extensive courier duties also required.

RESPONSIBILITIES: For the rest of your life. Must be willing to be hated, at least temporarily, until someone needs $5. Must be willing to bite tongue repeatedly. Also, must possess the physical stamina of a pack mule and be able to go from zero to 60 mph in three seconds flat in case, this time, the screams from the backyard are not someone just crying wolf. Must be willing to face stimulating technical challenges, such as small gadget repair, mysteriously sluggish toilets and stuck zippers. Must screen phone calls, maintain calendars and coordinate production of multiple homework projects. Must have ability to plan and organize social gatherings for clients of all ages and mental outlooks. Must be willing to be indispensable one minute, an embarrassment the next. Must handle assembly and product safety testing of a half million cheap, plastic toys and battery operated devices. Must always hope for the best but be prepared for the worst. Must assume final, complete accountability for the quality of the end product. Responsibilities also include floor maintenance and janitorial work throughout the facility.

POSSIBILITY FOR ADVANCEMENT AND PROMOTION: Virtually none. Your job is to remain in the same position for years, without complaining,constantly retraining and updating your skills, so that those in your charge can ultimately surpass you.

PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE: None required, unfortunately. On-the-job training offered on a continually exhausting basis.

WAGES AND COMPENSATION: You pay them! Offering frequent raises and bonuses. A balloon payment is due when they turn 18 because of the assumption that college will help them become financially independent. When you die, you give them whatever is left. The oddest thing about this reverse-salary scheme is that you actually enjoy it and wish you could only do more.

BENEFITS: While no health or dental insurance, no pension, no tuition reimbursement, no paid holidays and no stock options are offered; this job supplies limitless opportunities for personal growth and free hugs for life if you play your cards right.

ok...I ROCK...so I am never an embarrasment to my kids...hehehehehe....

I bet alot of you relate to this one though!

Flowers 2 all the Mums!!

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My sister called me

by czarofmischief in

and offered me the new warcraft game, which i have been shamelessly breaking the tenth commandment over, if i would come to the meeting tomorrow.. i'm so enraged i can't think clearly.

i said i will never go to the meetings again and i mean it!

what the hell, she thinks she can bribe me back into dubdom?.

Utopian_Raindrops

Ok....I do relize your Sister is trying to blatantly bribe you....she realy isn't hiding it ether!

Still at the same time she has your Eternal Life on her mind and the fact is....she doesn't want to loose her brother. So her underhanded deed has a heart felt motive.

I'd do one of 2 things......forget the ever tempting game of war and carnage and stick compleatly by your princaples......or hehehehehe...

Show up during the last song.....give her a hug (or punch in the arm) while she's singing...strole to the bathroom during the prayer.... then come out and yank my ever so stratigicly challengning GAME OF Oh So Glorious WARFARE from her weak sheep like arms!!!!

I mean 2 can play in The Theocratic Warfare Arena.

Remeber Klingon Warrior Rule #1....Today Is A Good Day To Die!!! So when your sister gives you those looks that could kill......you will be in warriors paradise!!

agape,

Ciao 4 now

Utopian_Raindrops.....

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 14 December 2002 18:50:12

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How to keep Jehova Witnesses....

by Europe in

Utopian_Raindrops

Ok....all I have to say...is where is the joke?

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Do all witnesses shun you?

by JH in

jw
friends

there are always a few tender hearted, who know that shunning is stupid and keep on talking to df'd people, when no one is looking.

are there still a few who keep on talking to you, even if you are df'd?

i'm sure that elders wouldn't shun you if you talk to them, so why do others have to shun you?

Utopian_Raindrops

Not all shun me but, they can never have a full friendship with me as things are.

It can be very hard on people who love you and know all the facts(or most of the facts) about your situation.

Some thought my disfellowshipping unfair and unloving. They want to help and be there for me and my kids and are held back. Other's who might not know everything can't believe I am dissed and we can't take in a show etc.

I had a sis go to the movies with me and another sis go to a concert.....but we did these things OUT OF TOWN.

I have never stopped believeing In Jehovah and Jesus and they know this and actually up till recently I believed "The Truth" was in fact...well....."The Truth".So the fact that I was repentant and not an apostate did not help matters for anyone knowing me.

This has caused alot of dispair and a friend of mine who is in dire-straights and feeling all alone without me tried to commit suicide recently......her baptised teen came to tell me and spent some time with me going over what we can do to help. One thing being my reinstatment if at all possible so I can openly do the best I can by my friends. I will have to think of what kind of letter that will be and how I can be in with my eyes open. Any sugestions?

Anyway...of course there are some who can not shun others....it is not correct behavior to treat a live person sub-human. It must bother many JW's conscience because I know it always bothered mine while I was in.

If you read in Job...Jehovah allowed Satan The Devil to enter Heaven and take his station and speak even!! Only untill he was cast out of the plane called Heaven did he no longer have contact....No Disfellowshipped Person has been removed from the earth thus far and so should be aloud free speach as Jehovah did for/does fro Satan......I say does because our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus spoke with Satan after fasting....and we know angels have battled demons...so this requires contact and posible comunication.

No way has any Human thus far that I have met done anything as bad and as vile as the Fallen Morningstar known as Satan The Devil.

Ummmmm...think maybe I said a little too much

Oh,well...my 2 cents...no refund as always

agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

bye bye 4 now

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Which class on JW.com are you really in?

by Brumm in

jw
friends

feeling left out?...awww bleeeess (((( )))).

just opening the door for anyone of the "broken hearted class" to say which class you would place yourself in....caring?

intelligent?

Utopian_Raindrops

I think all would agree.....I am of the....

"Floating On Another Plane Of Consciousness" Class!!!

Flowers everyone!!!

agape,

Utopian_Raindrops

bye bye 4 now

Edited by - Utopian_Raindrops on 13 December 2002 18:14:29

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