No I've never been a JW but I do "discuss" the Bible, Christ, and those things with them...well with anybody actually.
How about you?
stark7
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The First Cause
by sabastious inmainstream religion considers their versions of god the first cause.
they also assign a name to that first cause (the lord, allah, jesus, jehovah etc).
to me, this is a contradictory stance and my reasons might be a little wordy (they were worldy at first but i figured i would just remove the l).. the begin, i think we have to wrap our heads around this first cause as much as our minds are capable of.
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The First Cause
by sabastious inmainstream religion considers their versions of god the first cause.
they also assign a name to that first cause (the lord, allah, jesus, jehovah etc).
to me, this is a contradictory stance and my reasons might be a little wordy (they were worldy at first but i figured i would just remove the l).. the begin, i think we have to wrap our heads around this first cause as much as our minds are capable of.
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stark7
Thanks for the welcome Sab,
I'd like to respond to your post but I've got to figure out how to do the quotes in here...I'm working in the word processor and can't figure how to quote like you did...simple cut and paste doesn't seem to work
...the nerve huh, talking about God, the infinite, the complexities of the universe, and I can't work the chatroom
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The First Cause
by sabastious inmainstream religion considers their versions of god the first cause.
they also assign a name to that first cause (the lord, allah, jesus, jehovah etc).
to me, this is a contradictory stance and my reasons might be a little wordy (they were worldy at first but i figured i would just remove the l).. the begin, i think we have to wrap our heads around this first cause as much as our minds are capable of.
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stark7
Hi Sab,
You mention that mainstream religion considers their version of God the First Cause, but unless I'm mistaken, in Islam, Allah creates from an already existing universe comprised of a smoke like substance. I don't know of a religion that has their particular God creating ex nihilo (out of nothing), except for Judaism and Christianity.
This is important because science seems to be saying that the universe, at one time, did not exist and then; (big bang) it existed.
But that aside, you mentioned that the first cause is easier to fathom if it's non-intelligent like the big bang...but the big bang is not the first cause if it was, it would have to exist before it existed to be that first cause.
It seems reasonable and logical that the true first cause has to be eternal, and therefore uncaused.
If this "First Cause" brought the universe, with all it's complexity, and it's exact nuclear forces into being then, fathomable or not, wouldn't it/he have to be intelligent?
And as for this First Cause being held to a higher standard, maybe so but the problem is we, as finite beings wouldn't know what that standard should be.
As to your assertions:
1. Since He is infinite He would have to be able to fathom the infinite...it's the finite that can't fathom the infinite.
2. Just because we can or can't figure these things out doesn't mean He is limited from His end...of course the Bible limits God...God can't lie for instance...and logic limits God...God can't create an uncreated God.
3. As for this one I'd say, yes.
4. If we look at the information in our DNA, and the complexity of the nano-technology in our bodies (cells, flagellum, and what not) then don't we have to conclude that our Creator is an intelligent being?