Posts by wannabefree

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My sucky situation

by brotherdan in

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hi guys,.

sadly some of them had been in bethel for 5 - 10 years and were still cleaning toilets.. after about 2 years of it i couldn't do it anymore.

i always knew something wasn't quite right with this organization.

brotherdan ... I feel for you, I am currently in a very similar situation, my wife is raised in, its all she knows, and I hit her with the whole thing because I couldn't keep it in and needed to share ... she was the wrong one to share it with. I have since back pedaled and am trying to work on a strategy. So far I have found that in my case, the cognitive dissonance my wife has is actually working in my favor for the moment. It was not an easy awakening for you, it won't be for her either.

If you want to save this marriage, be resolved to be patient, she will have to be able to trust you. I am not out of the woods, I myself have only just entered it, hoping to come out the other side with my family. Here you will find that the wealth of knowledge, similar experiences, different suggestions and techniques are quite helpful. Its war. The Watchtower plays to win.

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Bethel keeps buildings in New York with Gargoyles {demons} on every corner...but brothers can't hang a "Windchime" without an Elders meeting! Why?

by Witness 007 in

bethel bought a theatre in queens as an assembly hall which had an egyptian motiff decoration with god's and goddesses.

a sister visiting for a gilead graduation told brother franz she was stumbled.

president knorr responded by saying: "they are simply decorations..." the bossert hotel was also bought which has gargoyles {demons} on every corner.

wannabefree

*** w81 6/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
? Would it be wrong for a Christian to use wind chimes in his or her home?Many persons have used wind chimes to give a pleasant musical aspect to the home. When the wind blows, the glass, metal or wooden pieces hit against one another to produce the sound. However, it is the custom in some countries to put up wind chimes with the thought that they will keep evil spirits from entering the home. Obviously, a Christian would not make use of wind chimes for such a purpose. So if there is such a superstitious belief in one's country, or community, it would not be wise to have a wind chime in the home. Thus no one will be stumbled or given the impression that Jehovah's Witnesses make use of wind chimes for some unscriptural purpose.-1 Cor. 10:31-33.

However, if one's motive in putting up a wind chime has nothing to do with false religion, superstition or demonism, and there is little possibility of others' getting the wrong impression regarding its use in the home, it is a simple matter for personal decision.

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Is it really so that some people here became Catholic after leaving the Borg?

by gubberningbody in

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wow.. unbelievable.. .

wannabefree

Think About It ... I agree. I am at the moment still attending KH, but can no longer go along with it.

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Is it really so that some people here became Catholic after leaving the Borg?

by gubberningbody in

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wow.. unbelievable.. .

wannabefree

I was raised Catholic. I can't see myself returning to the faith. Too many things just seem wrong ... priesthood, pope, praying to Mary and to saints ... perhaps my JW teaching has jaded me, but these things just seem so unscriptural.

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Where did 607 come from?

by MrFreeze in

okay so we've obviously established on this board that 607 is not the correct date that babylon destroyed jerusalem.

even before 1914 came around, the bible students still thought 1914 would be a pivital date.

the only way they can gain that info is from the 7 times or w/e.

wannabefree

- I sometimes wondered about 607 but just assumed this was all based on historic fact. We (JW's) state this date like it is in stone and count forward to 1914 to prove that date, when in actuality it was derived from counting backwards.

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Girls - what subject got you thinking?

by wannabefree in

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reading the post "how long did it take you to leave", i can't help but be envious of those of you who refer to leaving as a "we" event.. i know it has been said that women tend to react to feelings/emotions along with logic, can you help me with ideas that got you to feel something was wrong?

what should i work on planting with my wife?.

thanks..

wannabefree

Thanks 10p, this is very helpful.

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My wife's out and we're very happy

by 10p in

i feel a bit guilty.

people on this forum were very friendly and helpful to me when i was in the in-between phase between brainwashing and freedom.. i also got a lot of help and advice and sympathy when i was trying to get my wife out.. but when she did leave, i forgot all about you guys, and we got on with our lives, and have never been happier.

honestly, life is soooo damn good now, i worry i might have reached the peak and things will only get worse from here.. we are amazed at how much our children enjoy birthdays and christmas - how healthy, normal and fun these things are.

wannabefree

Awesome 10p! I am very happy for you. Your experience offers me another glimmer of hope. I sure would like to know any key thoughts you have that helped you to be successful in extricating your wife.

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Things in the past that show you that your doubts started earlier than you thought

by sabastious in

i was just talking to my wife this morning about underlining or highlighting the wt paragraphs.. when i was 13 years old i would fight with my dad because i refused to highlight the answers.. the reason was because i wanted my comment to be genuine.

i felt that highlighting the "answer" made me lean on just using that as a crutch and not truly putting it in my own words.. i still hold that argument now, and i am 26. the only reason you would ever have to highlight something in a study book would be if you needed to remember it, maybe it is fairly complicated or subtle information that could be easily forgotten.. so many times in the wt the "question" has the same phrase that's in the paragraph!

it's literally like playing connect the dots.. so what i would do is not highlight during the family study.

wannabefree

Not too long after I was baptized I remember thinking heavily about Jesus being "a god" (John 1:1) and that their was only one true God. While golfing one day, I was questioning the pioneer brother, who had studied with me, about the subject and asked him ... if Jesus wasn't the true God, but was a god, and if there is only one true God, then wouldn't that make him a false god? ... he told me that I was thinking like an apostate so I shut up.

Before joining the JW's I hated the term "the Truth" and vowed not to use it ... unfortunately it became a part of my vocabulary

I too was disturbed that JW's did nothing to help people in need, I was scolded by a coworker about this about 15 years ago, I was very uncomfortable defending her with WT logic.

Since I was a "worldly person" myself up until the age of 20, It became harder for me as I got older to hear this term applied in such a negative way to all non-JW's, I never felt I was wicked and didn't feel comfortable with the blanket condemnation.

As well others of the many posted thoughts here.

It is something how all of the "shelved" thoughts come falling down after the awakening.

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How to respond to "Whoelse is preaching the good news worldwide?"

by EndofMysteries in

this scripture stands out to me...... 1 cor 1:17-21 for christ dispatched me, not to go baptizing, but to go declaring the good news, not with wisdom of speech, that the torture stake of the christ should not be made useless.. 18 for the speech about the torture stake is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is gods power.

19 for it is written: i will make the wisdom of the wise [men] perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual [men] i will shove aside.

20 where is the wise man?

wannabefree

Debator said: The ethopian eunuch was quoting from Isaiah but still needed Philip to be sent to preach to and teach him.

Teach him what? About Jesus. The ethiopian was a Jewish proselyte, he was reading prophecy, Philip taught him that it was fulfilled in Christ. He didn't have a methodical study with him out of a new uninspired publication and then have him start sharing it door to door with others and then go over 100+ questions to make sure he understood the peculiar teachings so he could get baptized.

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Please Tell Me ...

by snowbird in

when i use the colloquial expression, "this here," does it irritate you?.

my mother talked - and others down here still do - that way.. she worked like a dog to see to it that her 12 children received an education.

mother deceased in 2005. one of my sisters and i like to use that expression as a bittersweet reminder of her and our victory over poverty and despair.. however, when i use it on here, it rankles a prominent poster.

wannabefree

this here, eh, no problem, eh