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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

JWs and Counseling/Psychologists/Therapists

by Had To Go in

jw
friends

hello - i am hoping that some born-ins, still-ins, elders (ex), ms, etc.

can help me with a question i have.

what is the typical jw thought on seeking counseling via a licensed therapist or psychologist?

That spiritual high won't last forever, believe me. He's on his high horse right now because he feels like he is DOING what he is supposed to do. The organization calls him a spiritual widower and it sounds like he may be reveling in the glory of it all. But the organization is such a big illusion. He will come down.

What you need to do is plant little seeds where you can, while not being overly obvious about it.

YOU haven't done anything wrong in getting out of a cult. He is still stuck in the cult, so to him you look like a traitor. Let him think that for a while. But you can use this time to win him over. My wife was JUST like your husband in that I ruined our relationship by fading from the organization. But it has slowly gotten better. She now sees that I love her and she loves me in a way BEYOND the organization. We have much more in common than just a judgemental, legalistic publishing company.

What you need to do is be there for him when he falls from the lofty perch of this organizational concept.

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

brotherdan

Makes it much harder to accept.

Also, how is it harder to believe in a painter (who was always there) that painted a painting than a painting (that was always there) that has NO painter? It sounds like LOGIC would point to the first conclusion. Yes?

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

brotherdan

It's only fair that you note the Theist painter "was always there"

Acknowledged. I thought it was a quite appropriate analogy. Deists would be included in the theist category. And agnostics...well they aren't sure if there is a painting with a painter or not.

I wasn't being biased. I was showing that there are basically 3 world views that are popular.

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Fred Franz

by d in

jw
friends

for all those here who who saw and may have met fred franz.what would he say about global warming, facebook twitter, the death of mitcahel jackson since mitchael was a witness.what would he say about lady gaga, justin biber, usher and emeniem.how do you think he would have reacted to the events of 9/11 and bible prophecy.would he see it as true signs of the end.. so the overall question how would fred franz respond to the 21 st century with it's advanved technolgy and war on terrorism and the economic crisis that this country (the u.s) is facing.please tell us your thoughts..

brotherdan

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JWs and Counseling/Psychologists/Therapists

by Had To Go in

jw
friends

hello - i am hoping that some born-ins, still-ins, elders (ex), ms, etc.

can help me with a question i have.

what is the typical jw thought on seeking counseling via a licensed therapist or psychologist?

brotherdan

I think they are weary of it too because a sharply trained therapist will see the cult behavior and attempt to work it out. My wife's best friend went to therapy with her husband when they were both JWs (they are now divorced and she is no longer one), and the therapist confronted the cult mind-set right away.

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

brotherdan

OK! I see what you were saying. I know that I defend the Bible alot on the board, but I DO realize there is more to faith in God than just the Bible.

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JWs and Counseling/Psychologists/Therapists

by Had To Go in

jw
friends

hello - i am hoping that some born-ins, still-ins, elders (ex), ms, etc.

can help me with a question i have.

what is the typical jw thought on seeking counseling via a licensed therapist or psychologist?

brotherdan

My husband says that it is all my fault when in all actuality we have both changed.

That's not a good sign. When you go to counseling you both need to accept that there are things you BOTH need to work on. If he goes to therapy with that attitude he will try to turn it into a bashing session against you, most likely.

About the societies stance on therapy is in the elders manual. If you read closely it seems to discourage it, however it leaves it up to the individual. Page 55 paragraph 25 it says:

There are times when an emotionally distressed
Christian may seek professional help.
Whether a Christian or his family pursues treatment
from psychiatrists, psychologists, or therapists is a
personal decision. An elder should not assume the responsibility
of recommending a specific practitioner
or facility. He may draw attention to or discuss material
in the publications that provides cautions regarding
therapies that may conflict with Bible principles.
(w88 10/1/15 pp. 28-29; w82 6/15 pp. 25-29; w75
pp. 255-256) While participating in group therapy by
a professional therapist is a matter for personal decision,
there could be a revealing of confidential facts
about other members of the Christian congregation
during such sessions if a Christian does not exercise
discretion.

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

brotherdan

I know atheists disagree with me on this, but I think the leaps of faith it takes to accept NO GOD are greater than the leaps of faith it takes to believe in God. I don't want to get into the whole "Atheism does not require faith" argument. By faith I mean the gaps across what is not known.

Using a painting analogy:

Theists belive in a painter and a painting. The painter painted the painting

Pantheists believe that the painter IS the painting

and Atheists believe that the painting did not have a painter and that it was always there.

Which one sound most reasonable?

I know we were talking about the Bible here, but once you can accept that there MUST be a God, then you can investigate if he actually revealed himself.

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

brotherdan

I actually was refering to this statement about abolishing circumcision:

They went beyond the written word, they went beywond The Law of God, they went beyond the written word of God.