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  Does the WT have any legal grounds to go after "apostates" for defamation, slander, libel?

  by never a jw in

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  question to all those well versed in legal issues.

  all jw's, when confronted with criticism, claim that apostates lie about the wt.

  i always have wondered, given the litigious environment in which we live in western democracies, why the wts doesn't go after all those websites that publish so many "lies" about "the truth".. can this lack of action on the part of the wts be used as evidence of the truthfulness of the message in "apostate" sites such as jwfacts,.

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  Jeff T- Not to put too fine a point on it, but that is the difference I am talking about. Under the 1st amendement the JW can state those that leave are mentally diseased all day no problem. It's protected under the first amendement. If they strayed out to say Bro. John Q. Smith former member of the Governing Body is mentally diseased they are in a grey area especially if they do not qualify that opinion as opinion. Now, if someone is DF'd and they call that person's boss, landlord, or client (someone with a financial connection) and say hey, just FYI John Q. Smith is mentally diseased and that person's response is to fire, evict, or cancel a contract for that reason then their is grounds for defamation suits. The rule is the U.S. is it must have been something that was A) untrue and B) targeted at a specific relationship and C) it harmed the individual financially. As with most things, the problem is proving it. Most people would not want to be involved and would say their were other reasons for terminating the financial relationship.

  England interprets their libel and slander laws at more liberally, which is why you see more celebrities going after tabloids in the U.K.
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  I need some help ! (live in London)

  by caath in

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  hi, my name is catarina and im portuguese.. in portugal the sitiuacion of the country is hard.

  i want work in ingland (in london), but i dont have any family or friends there.

  so i remember then in the meetings of jeovah's witnesses we sometimes talk about the brothers and sisthers all aver the world.

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  Cagefighter

  Well, that certainly was interesting....
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  Does the WT have any legal grounds to go after "apostates" for defamation, slander, libel?

  by never a jw in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  question to all those well versed in legal issues.

  all jw's, when confronted with criticism, claim that apostates lie about the wt.

  i always have wondered, given the litigious environment in which we live in western democracies, why the wts doesn't go after all those websites that publish so many "lies" about "the truth".. can this lack of action on the part of the wts be used as evidence of the truthfulness of the message in "apostate" sites such as jwfacts,.

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  Libel and Slander laws in U.S. are very weak in order to preserve our 1st amendment right of Freedom of Speech. It has to be VERY specific and VERY ugly and must create a tangible and direct harm to the victim.

  For example: If someone says Cagefighter is a lazy, fat, misogynistic jerk on their website... it would not qualify as slander or libel.

  If someone called my boss and said Cagefighter eats live baby squirells for breakfast and my boss found that repulsive and fired me for it. Then I could sue for slander if I could A) prove that is untrue and B) that my boss speciffically fired me for that.
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  Target Controversy

  by metatron in

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  http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-contractor-apologizes-for-selling-shooting-targets-of-children.html.

  i have searched for any debunking of this controversy and come up empty.

  if true, this is shocking.. metatron.

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  It's true and it's scary. Alex Jones is an alarmist, no doubt. However, I have caught him being right more than once and that is scary.
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  wow that just hit me like a ton of bricks

  by cptkirk in

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  it just hit me why none of you have a clue as to who i am or what to make of me.

  you are all completely foreigners lol...wow that is like crazy as shit.

  most of you have not even a clue as to east coast hardcore new york philly personality types, esp of xy generation.

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  Like I said people from the UK often won't/can't understand.... I didn't say they couldn't, they just usally don't for whatever reason. You just proved my point. Why does it bother you so much that there might be something you don't know everything about? Does it just make smoke come out of your ears to think the U.S. might not be as simple as whitepeople holding confederate flags and german shepherds yelling at black people and everyone else that doesn't look like them?

  There is a lot of things I am sure I don't completely wrap my head around....like why is that little piece of realestate in N. Ireland such a big frigg'n deal. It isn't like yall don't have a whole island and the bigger of the two if I might add.
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  wow that just hit me like a ton of bricks

  by cptkirk in

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  it just hit me why none of you have a clue as to who i am or what to make of me.

  you are all completely foreigners lol...wow that is like crazy as shit.

  most of you have not even a clue as to east coast hardcore new york philly personality types, esp of xy generation.

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  I don't know where your country is, but odds are I probably have not been there. I have met plenty of nice folks from Austrailia, UK, Canada, France, and S.A. Then there are the people from the U.S. that are from the North. I have tried to explain some things to them and their eyes just glaze over when I try to explain exactly how disenfranchised and plain anti-social some people are due to their self-perceptions based on race. Race is more and less important in certain places, but in the Southern U.S. it is an ultimate indentity that steers the ship of destiny often subconciously for many people. It's not like that in other places, I know that much. Not this bad.

  That's just one guy's opinion... but I digress. This is about Cpt. Kirk and the E. Coast awesome that he oozes.
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  Is the Revelation Grand Climax book in print anymore?

  by wallsofjericho in

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  i watched a couple daniel clark videos on youtube (simple but interesting btw) and he mentioned the revelation book is no longer in print.. is that true??

  what other books did we grow up with that are out of print?.

  truth booklive forever book(old) united in worship(old) evolution/creation bookthose seem to be the biggies.

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  Wait you were not joking about the cut and paste? I can not believe that.

  The Revelation book was the book that really got me to the TATT. I appreciate that book. It was very apparent that this entire religion was being completely made up and fabricated like a good ol Texas Tall Tale.

  When you extrapulate 4 paragraphs of WTBULLSHIT from 1 paragraph of revelation, something is up. I guess it was the way it was presented that made it clear my little 14 year old brain.
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  wow that just hit me like a ton of bricks

  by cptkirk in

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  it just hit me why none of you have a clue as to who i am or what to make of me.

  you are all completely foreigners lol...wow that is like crazy as shit.

  most of you have not even a clue as to east coast hardcore new york philly personality types, esp of xy generation.

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  Cagefighter

  I have no idea what Cpt Kirk is saying except.

  1.People from Philly/E.Coast always think they live in the center of the universe, but always end up moving to places like Texas & Florida where the taxes are lower, weather is better and you can get an actual job. They spend the rest of their lives reminding their new friends and neighbors how awesome the E. Coast was to the point that we would duct tape their mouth shut if it wasn't that we felt sorry for their lack of manners.

  2. Countries like the U.S. and South Africa have far more complex issues socially and economically because of slavery than people in Canada, England, and France can often understand. Even inside the U.S. there is a giant disconnect between the issues we deal with in the south vs. the issues in Maine we're populations at 95% white.

  Slavery is our country's original sin. Both sides are so far from right and don't even know it. It will probably destroy the U.S. ultimately like the Roman brutality of their Germanic neighbors led to their fall. A fitting end, I guess. I will be dead or really old and too far out of it to care by then.
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  Jack JWs - is this common?

  by new22day in

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  i've heard about jack mormons.

  are there jack jws (folks that partially believe but their lives are pretty worldy) ?

  what are your thoughts about these peeps?

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  As a kid growing up in the South I was told just about all JW's in California were.
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  RELIGULOUS...Please watch it.

  by Fed-up in

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  i know it's been commented on before here.

  if you haven't seen it (i'm sure it's on netflix) please take a look.

  it's the other side of the coin, presented in a funny way that really makes you think about religion and worship.

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  Ya I was buying into the "Christ Myth" story as well, but it turned out to be false as well. Everyone has an agenda I suppose.