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Jon passed away this morning

by jonjonsimons in

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my name is kevin and i am jon's partner.

jon gave me his password a few weeks ago and asked me to post to the board if something happened to him.

as some of you know jon had been undergoing cancer treatment since the end of july.

Hello,
My name is Kevin and I am Jon's partner. Jon gave me his password a few weeks ago and asked me to post to the board if something happened to him. As some of you know Jon had been undergoing cancer treatment since the end of July. I wanted to let you all know that Jon passed away this morning after suffering a seizure at the hospital. It was very fast and the Dr's assured me very painless. He left this world holding my hand and one of the last things he said to me was that he loved me. He made me promise that I would not have a funeral for him and would have him cremated as quickly as possible and I am honoring that request. I have not yet notified Jon's father for fear of the legal issues he may raise. I'm not sure if that is the correct thing to do but I promised Jon that I wouldn't, so I have decided to honor that promise. Jon gave me full legal rights to make health and financial decisions on his behalf but he was afraid that his father would try something so I will wait a few days to call him. I wanted all of you who have corresponded with Jon via email and phone over the last several weeks to know that you all did him a world of good. He was the bravest person I will ever know, and I'm not sure how I'm going to survive this but I will. Jon was such an athiest and that was about the only thing we ever argued about. We were talking a few weeks ago and he told me that if he passed he would let me know if he was right or wrong about whether or not God exists. He joked and said that the next time John Edwards was on TV he would break in with a message for me. He was such a beautiful person and he had the most wicked sense of humor I've ever seen. Jon's taught me alot about the Jehovah Witness religion and about what he went thru because of it. I want to thank all of you that helped him deal with it even more through this website. Jon has several emails that he did not get to return and I will answer those for him as soon as I can deal with it.

Thank you,
Kevin

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Taking a health break

by jonjonsimons in

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i wanted to let you all know that i will be staying away from my computer for some time so i won't be able to join the discussions on this board for a few weeks.

the chemo is sucking out loud and i need to try and focus myself on healing.

for those many of you who have emailed and called with your support, you will never know how much you have helped.

jonjonsimons

Greetings all,
I wanted to let you all know that I will be staying away from my computer for some time so I won't be able to join the discussions on this board for a few weeks. The chemo is sucking out loud and I need to try and focus myself on healing. For those many of you who have emailed and called with your support, you will never know how much you have helped. Also to those of you that have wished me well in chat and in messages posted to the DB, I am eternally grateful. I should know in the next few weeks if it's sink or swim time and will keep you all informed. Fate willing I will be joining you all again soon in lively and sometimes contentious discussion.

Peace and love to you and yours,
Jon

BTW Tina, Ana, noi, harmony, mango and the rest, (and u know who u are) I'm sorry I've been lagging behind on email lately. I promise to catch up soon. Love you all.
J

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Can You Get DF'd If You....

by Englishman in

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have sex with a blow-up doll?.

englishman.. nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

jonjonsimons

Eman,
Been there done that, and the answer to your question is yes.

Peace,
Jon

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I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!

by concerned fiance in

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here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.

he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.

for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.

jonjonsimons

Concerned,
I was raised in the "truth" as was your finace so here's my .02.
Even after being out 20 years, when I watched the events of Sept. 11 unfold I also for a moment had some JW flashbacks and wondered if I had made a mistake in leaving. That lasted about 30 seconds and then reality came back into perspective. Your finace is fighting the brainwashing he was raised with, and I can tell you it's harder than most people understand. When you are told the same thing over and over from a very early age it is very hard to turn your back on it even if you know in your heart that you were lied to. It took me ten years to get over the fact that every tornado warning in my area wasn't the start of armageddon. Childhood indoctrination goes very deep. The only advise I can give is for you to give your fiance a little time to come to grips with it all. From what you posted above he is taking steps in that direction. I hope all turns out well for you both.

Peace and love to you and yours,
Jon

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I'm crying now---pray for this family....please

by LDH in

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i just received a phone call from the mom of one of my daughter's friend's.. 7th grade little girl, just delightful.. we saw her dad tuesday night at 'back to school night.'.

he killed himself yesterday.. lisa.

edited to add, i just talked to the girl's mom again and she told me they went to the doctor together yesterday, i guess he's been having some chronic health problems for the last ten years.. the doctor pooh-poohed his concerns.

jonjonsimons

Lisa,
I'm so sorry for the loss. I don't pray, but I'm sending thoughts of love to you and the family.

Peace,
Jon

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Century Mark (100)

by Black Man in

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hey.....i know it's really no big deal but i've hit 100 posts.

no where near jedi-status but damn.......that's a major step for me.

just call me fetus-jedi or somethin'........

jonjonsimons

all bow to the great fetus-jedi.....

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'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 in

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being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

jonjonsimons

Trilobite,
You of course are also entitled to your opinion and I respect you for it. I think after all is said and done that Rex does have a good heart. Misguided maybe, but still a good heart. I feel he would say the same of me. He only quoted scripture to me in an attempt to save my soul. I of course don't wish to be saved in that way, but the thought was nice and well intentioned.

Peace and love to you and yours,
Jon

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'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 in

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being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

jonjonsimons

Rex,
You are incorrigible. I thought you knew since you posted to my thread about having leukemia. It doesn't look good right now because the treatments don't seem to be working. We won't know for sure for a couple of weeks but I have a feeling of dread about it. I do appreciate your thoughts and I know you are sincere. However my belief system is in tact and come what may my spirit is whole and well.

Sometimes you sound like such a jackass, (as do I) but you do have a good heart don't you guy.

Peace,
Jon

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The Bible advances women's rights

by Rex B13 in

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our forum's now chapter likes to slander christian believers over alleged poor treatment of women.

in truth, the bible advanced women's rights in the ancient world, even in a paternalistic society.

here are the results of research into this topic.. num 5.12--the trial of bitter waters (sotah) is a an amazing provision by god for a woman to publicly clear her name (and indict a dysfunctional husband in the process).

jonjonsimons

Rex,
BTW thanks for your apology, I truly appreciate it. I also apologize if I came off kind of snippy. It was not my intention.

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'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 in

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being lost...is of course, the usual state of things here.

what's surprising is that they (the lost) think that pulling scriptures out of context, isolating mosaic laws mean't for one purpose and one time, is somehow refuting scripture.. they like to ignore the fact that jesus is the revealed yahweh and he sets the mark, not any organisation nor any pious individual.

we relate scripture to him and we interpret scripture by his life amongst mankind.

jonjonsimons

Rex,
There is one major differance between men who raise children as their own knowing they are not, and a 14 year old girl giving birth. The men don't have to worry about dying from it. The toll that pregnancy and childbirth inflicts on a woman physically and emotionally is tremendous. Imagine what that would do to a 14 year old child. I also don't believe in abortion for conveniences sake. I don't know anyone that does. But as a man I believe it is not my place to assume I know better than the woman affected, what the right course of action for her should be.

As far as capital punishment is concerned I'm sure you won't be suprised to know that I am mostly against it. I don't see how we can teach children that killing is wrong, by killing. I also believe that spending the rest of your life behind bars is a much more stringent punishment then simply being put to sleep.

I'll be very honest with you Rex. Most of the people I know and associate with on a regular basis are Christians. My partner is Catholic, even though the very church he believes in condems him to hell, but that's a totaly different subject and I'm not going there. I would say approx. 80 percent of the people I know are pro choice, 50 percent are anti death penalty and 20-30 percent support animal rights. I personally have made snide comments to women wearing fur coats in the past myself.(when I was a young silly man) Not strangers on the street but to people I consider to be friends. The only distinction that I make as far as animals are concerned is that I do feel it's wrong to kill an animal simply for it's fur. I find it gross to wear a dead animal on my back, that was killed just because it was pretty. That may be simplistic, but that's how I feel. I can't catagorize peoples political views based on their religious views. Everytime I do, I meet someone like myself who doesn't fit into that mold.

Believe me Rex when I tell you that I have thouroghly examined my belief system in the last few months. Mabey it's because I'm dying, mabey it's because I've matured as a human being. I don't know the reason. I have concluded that my belief system is what carries me through each day, and in the end, that's all that matters. I'm sure you can understand that.

Peace and love to you and yours,
Jon

BTW if I sounded mad in my last post I kinda was. I've since taken several deep breaths and am no longer angry. If the anger in my last post caused you hurt, I apologize.