The Watchtower Society may or may not know regardless of what they print. However, the Bible says that THERE IS GOING TO BE A RESURRECTION OF BOTH THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS. Do you need to know more?
Posts by Inkie
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18Which non-JWs exactly get resurructed into the new system?
by JWoods inthere seems to be a lot of speculative jw confusion on this.
several jw "rules of thumb" seem to apply -.
1) - if you die "during a judgement period" - i.e., you died post 1914 after hearing the jw message, and did not accept it - you do not get a resurrection.... << but, i believe they qualified this to say that 20th century people (like in red china) that did not hear the jw message might come back >>.
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by bez inits been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).
this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??
the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .
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Inkie
You’re very welcome, Bez. Happy to help.
"Why have we been taught to pray 'through the name of your son Jesus Christ, amen'! Because we are talking to him first and he gives our prayers to God? Thats how i will look at it for now and pray about."
Bez, you are exactly correct. We do talk to Christ first. Why? Because he gives us permission to enter into his Father’s presence; he gives us access to the Father. Remember, he said, in one place, “I am the Door,” and in another place, “No one comes to the Father except through me,” and in another place, “Enter in through the narrow gate,” he being that gate, and in another place, “I am the Way,” and in another place that he is the “Doorkeeper.”
In the physical realm, the natural world is sometimes (but not always) a reflection of what goes on in the spiritual realm. For example, and this is just a “simple” example: If you want to visit someone of importance or someone of wealth, and you go to their residence, you knock on their door, the doorkeeper opens the door, YOU speak to the Doorkeeper, introducing yourself and telling him why you are there. The Doorkeeper invites you in (or not) because of what you said to him and says: “Please wait here in the foyer (or the library or the den) and I will announce your presence. You wait a little bit. The Doorkeeper returns to you in a moment and says: “The Householder (or Mr. So-and-So) will see you now.” And as you go to meet the Householder and pass by the Doorkeeper you kindly and appreciatively with respect say to the Doorkeeper, “Thank you,” acknowledging the Doorkeeper's part in getting you in to see the Master of the House, whatever term you want to use for the person you want to speak with. You then speak directly with the Householder and tell him of your concerns, requests, or whatever. This simple example is what often happens here in this world. The same kind of thing happens in the spiritual realm. You must speak with the Doorkeeper (Christ). You must speak with him and tell him what you want (access to the Father). You mustthen listen carefully to hear whether the Doorkeeper says to you, grants your entrance and introduces you to the Father. You speak your prayer to the Father acknowledging the Father’s Doorkeeper. It’s really quite simple and reflective of the natural world.
And another thing, if you really think about it and reason it out, the only “organization” Jah has ever “used,” and I don’t even know if you can really use that word (“organization”), was the Nation of Israel. Before the Nation of Israel and after the Nation of Israel—and I am speaking of the national entity—not the people themselves individually, Jah only dealt with individuals and their families. Think about it. The Nation of Israel was the only exception to his dealing with individuals.
Prior to God’s creating the Nation of Israel he dealt with Abel, Enoch, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob—then the national entity of Israel—after the Nation of Israel, he deals once again with individuals, just read the book of Acts and see his dealings with individuals inside and outside of the known congregations. To this day he is dealing with individuals. No organization necessary.
--Inkie
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by bez inits been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).
this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??
the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .
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Inkie
Soldier77: LOLOLOL . . . well, that's another way to say it. LOLOLOL . . . --Inkie
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by bez inits been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).
this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??
the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .
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Tec: Yes, Jah is the God of ALL comfort. --Inkie
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Resurrection of Lazarus only mentioned by John, not others, why?
by VM44 inwhy is it that the story of the resurrection of lazarus of bethany only is mentioned in the book of john and not in the other three gospel accounts of the life of jesus?.
the resurrection of lazarus was a major event in the life of jesus, but three writers failed to mention it, why?.
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AGuest:
I do not understand, I MUST say, why you WANT to do all of this... ummmm... discussing, debating, and speculating.
Speaking as a man, because I am one, I must say that I do believe this IS a man thing. This kind of thing is done everywhere--even in law firms. And these days, women join the men in this kind of environment.
I understand that this kind of discussion may even be "fun"... but is it truly beneficial?
When I used to engage in this kind of thing, indeed, it was fun. Sometimes it still is. Although I do not engage in this activity hardly any more. However, your question, Is it truly beneficial? is most pertinent. . . . The important thing is to find the Truth (Christ), not necessarily finding the truth of things. I couldn't agree with you more on that.
--Inkie, a friend of the Nazarene
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by bez inits been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).
this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??
the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .
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Inkie
Aaaah . . . yes . . . that IS one of the secrets--reading around a cited text. Sometimes, oftentimes, it makes ALL the difference in understanding. Have no fear of questioning. It's a good thing. Oh, and one more thing, do not let your "feelings" prevent you from praying to Jah and speaking with Christ. While no one is worthy--each and everyone of us is a sinner and that's exactly the kind of people Christ is calling. He came "to save sinners." I believe him. I hope you do too. So don't allow your feelings of inadequacy hinder you from approaching Jah in prayer through His Son. They are kind. Pour out your heart to them.
All the best, Bez.
--Inkie
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J.R.Brown
by Mall Cop init's been very quiet concerning him.
anyone have an update, information on his where-abouts and current position?
he use to be the spoke-person for the society in the news media etc.
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Syl!?
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by bobfleur inhello everyone, my name is bob and i am a recovering jehovah's witness.
i have a beautiful wife and four equally beautiful children.
my major malfunction is that i am very much a believer and as most here would agree, some major teachings do not line up in harmony with scripture.. god used the help of a pastor friend of mine and together we were able to show my wife from the bible certain biblical truths do not line up with "the truth".
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Inkie
Welcome BobFleur: This can be a most interesting Board. Hope you enjoy. And congratulations! No need to rush into anything though. Take your time. --Inkie
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by bez inits been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).
this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??
the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .
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Bez, most interesting. As the Christ said, "Do as they say, not as they do." Why? Because they say "read the context." Notice:
31 And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.” 33 They replied to him: “We are Abraham’s offspring and never have we been slaves to anybody. [That's a lie, isn't it? Weren't they slaves in Egypt?] How is it you say, ‘Y OU will become free’?” 34 Jesus answered them: “Most truly I say to YOU , Every doer of sin is a slave of sin. 35 Moreover, the slave does not remain in the household forever; the son remains forever. 36 Therefore if the Son sets YOU free, YOU will be actually free. --John 8:31-36.
Is it not evident then that the Son wants you free? Know the Truth. No doubt you've read and heard over the years the following:
" This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.--John 17:3.
Yet, the footnote of the big Reference Bible of the New World Translation states (as do other Bibles):
"This means everlasting life, their knowing you [not taking in knowledge], the only true God and the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ."--John 17:30.
"Knowing" someone is a whole lot different than "taking in knowledge of them." Agreed? In your life, how many biographies have you read? And in so doing you have "taken in knowledge" of that person. But . . . do you/did you know that person? You took in all kinds of facts about that person, but did you know him/her? And more important . . . if THAT person were asked: "Do you know Bez?" That person would say, "No, I'm sorry, I don't." But then you'd reply: "But I know all about you. I know where you were born, what school you went to, who you married, how many kids you have, etc., etc., etc." But THAT person would reiterate, "Sorry. I don't know you." And you'd be completely out of luck.
It's the same with Jah and Christ. You must KNOW THEM. They must KNOW you.
--Inkie
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by bez inits been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).
this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??
the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .
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Inkie
Bez, there is probably more truth in your last statement than you realize. It's wonderful to acknowledge your closeness with Jah and Christ. It will make your heart truly rejoice. You stated that your husband feels much the same as you. No doubt you've shared your feelings and thoughts with him. Continue to do so as he is your first friend when it comes to "making" friends. When you pray to Jah, through His Christ, ask Him to reveal the Truth to you. Not the truth (of things/stuff)--but to know the Truth (Christ). "I am the Way the Truth and the Life," Christ said. Believe it, believe him. You'll be just fine. All the best.
--Inkie