Posts by Inkie

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What is the point of Judicial Committees??

by quellycatface in

i've had 2 jc's, both resulted in reproof.. but.....in church, the vicar asks us do reflect quitely on anything that we have done that we're not happy about and to ask for forgiveness in our heart.

knowing that jesus will forgive us, if we are sorry and have faith in him.

good.

Inkie

The purpose of a judicial committee is to show their "authority": (1) they are a "tribunal" of which the apostle Paul did not speak highly of, nor could Paul care less; and (2) to "inquire" of you whether what they "heard" as in gossip or tattletale-ing on you is true or, said another way, to create an "inquisition" on you. A judicial committe is both a "tribual" (a committee of three [3]) and an "inquisition," to inquire of you.

Truthfully, if anyone comes to you and inquires of you about something, all you need do is ask them: "Am I being accused of something? If so, what am I being accused of? And, Who is/are my accusers?" The elder will likely say: "No, no, you're not being accused of anything." In that case, there's no need for an inquisition whatsoever. But if he says, "Yes, that's why we are "inquiring." Then you should ask for the accusers to be present so that you can see and hear the accusations with your own eyes and ears. If the elders do not bring the accusers then, again, there is no need for an "inquisition" to occur. And you can walk away a "free man."

That is, of course, if you choose to keep your personal power. Too often, many brothers give their personal power away to the elders. Sad.

--Inkie

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Archangels

by dog is god in

beng raised n da troof i thought there was one archangel, michael ( aka jesus ).

so i am talking to a woman who mentions that she named her cats after the archangels (plural).

how could i have missed that little gem?

Inkie

Oops! I almost forgot what is stated in the book of Revelation:

And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.—Revelation 12:7-9.

Note that the word “original” in Greek is “archaios” or “archaic,” which, again, a good book of etymology will define as “of the Ark” rather than “original” or “old,” etc.

Thus the verse should/would read:

“So down the great dragon was hurled, the serpent of the Ark, the one called Devil and Satan.”

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Archangels

by dog is god in

beng raised n da troof i thought there was one archangel, michael ( aka jesus ).

so i am talking to a woman who mentions that she named her cats after the archangels (plural).

how could i have missed that little gem?

Inkie

Exodus, chapter 25, states:

17 “Make an atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. 21 Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the tablets of the covenant law that I will give you. 22 There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the covenant law, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.

Jude, verse 9, specifically states that Michael is an archangel (or Angel of the Ark [of the covenant]). Also if you look up the etymology of the word “archangel” in a reputable, or should I say, "comprehensive" etymology book, you will see that the original/earliest meaning of the word “arch” does not me “chief” but means “of the ark.”

Ezekiel, chapter 28, states:

This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.

This Ezekiel quote is prophetic and descriptive of the Cherub who became Satan.

I hope this helps.

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Archangels

by dog is god in

beng raised n da troof i thought there was one archangel, michael ( aka jesus ).

so i am talking to a woman who mentions that she named her cats after the archangels (plural).

how could i have missed that little gem?

Inkie

Bart:

The Bible does not mention three Archangels. Phanuel was a man, the father of the prophetess Anna. While Gabriel is an angel, the Bible does not identify him as an Archangel. The Bible identifies Michael as an Archangel (one of the angels on the Ark [of the Covenant]). The other Archangel (on the Ark [of the Covenant] with Michael is identified by the prophet Ezekiel. That Archangel is identified as Satan. There are two Archangels--angels on the Ark.

--Inkie

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Change the Channel!

by perfect1 in

on another thread band on the run mentioned the jw habit of changing the channel on tv abruptly whenever something spiritually reprehensible might pop up.. recently, when i was visiting a family member, they changed the channel from sumo wrestling so that we would not see such obscene nudity.. of course, as soon as i left the room the channel would switch back.

id come in and it would switch again.

this made for a semi entertaining game of seeing how close i could get before the channel changed.

Inkie

Indeed, Tammy. It was a "sermon to hear" and never forget.

Apparently, there were conversations about it amon the congregation during the week such that on the next Thursday night meeting, a different elder got up and tried to "soften" the blow of such strenuous words uttered at the previous Thursday night meeting. Nevetheless, that particular sermon was remembered for a very long time.

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Change the Channel!

by perfect1 in

on another thread band on the run mentioned the jw habit of changing the channel on tv abruptly whenever something spiritually reprehensible might pop up.. recently, when i was visiting a family member, they changed the channel from sumo wrestling so that we would not see such obscene nudity.. of course, as soon as i left the room the channel would switch back.

id come in and it would switch again.

this made for a semi entertaining game of seeing how close i could get before the channel changed.

Inkie

In my old congregation there once was a retired and quite elderly Circuit Overseer who became an elder in the congregation. He was once of those individuals who was extremely hardcore (pun intended, but true) elders who dominated the Body of Elders, stern, formidable, hardheaded, stiffnecked, stubborn, and just plain old unloving. You know, an elder who ruled the congregation by the book—a book published back in the 1930s/1940s. A young unmarried couple in the congregation committed fornication. They were disfellowshiped. Next thing you know, on Thursday night’s meeting there was a Congregation Needs talk given to the congregation. He got up there behind the lectern and began his special needs talk. Fire and brimstone came forth from his mouth, condemnation, pounding on the lectern, bombastic voice utterings into the microphone, of what can be done and what cannot be done in any kind of sexual activity. You can do this, but not that. You can do this, but not that. You can do this, but not that. You can’t go down on your wife. You can’t do it doggy-style. You can only kiss on the lips and only on the nipples. No other place can you kiss. No fingering of any kind, anywhere. You can’t even “hold” your own erect organ—that’s masturbation. On and on he went. The congregation was dead silent. I remember looking over at his wife, sitting there with her head down looking into her lap. I remember thinking, “Poor woman.”

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GENESIS- Adam, Eve, Noah, etc. and Original Sin

by Band on the Run in

there was a distressing thread concerning this topic recently.

there is no way i can believe these stories as literal truth or even use them as any signpost to the nt jesus/god.

these scriptures make judaism and christianity look silly.

Inkie

Cofty: Since when is asking a simple question "ganging up"? Band on the Run answered the question quite succintly.

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GENESIS- Adam, Eve, Noah, etc. and Original Sin

by Band on the Run in

there was a distressing thread concerning this topic recently.

there is no way i can believe these stories as literal truth or even use them as any signpost to the nt jesus/god.

these scriptures make judaism and christianity look silly.

Inkie

Cofty: Is not "transparancy" a good thing?

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GENESIS- Adam, Eve, Noah, etc. and Original Sin

by Band on the Run in

there was a distressing thread concerning this topic recently.

there is no way i can believe these stories as literal truth or even use them as any signpost to the nt jesus/god.

these scriptures make judaism and christianity look silly.

Inkie

Band on the Run: "Equality is enshrined in our Founding Documents"? Are you serious? What kind of a lawyer are you?

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Fallacy of Baptism "in Holy Spirit"!

by The Searcher in

the following comment taken from the march 1st 2013 watchtower, is nothing new.

to witnesses the world over it's a basic teaching which even the kids understand; "humans with heavenly prospects have been baptized in water and with holy spirit and are thus spirit-begotten disciples of jesus.

" (john 3:3, 5) (both at the same time??????).

Inkie

Wow! Band of the Run says: "Consulting Christ is not enough." I am made speechless by this statement other than to say:

I should think that "[c]onsulting Christ is more than enough"! Wow!