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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

Inkie

SBCheezits:

Forgive for responding to this as I know your questions were not directed to me, but to Watersprout. But, I feel compelled to answer here, if you don’t mind. I hope Watersprout won’t mind. You wrote:

Do you accept every claim others might make of hearing the voice of God, so long as they seem like a good, spiritual human?

I think the operative clause in your question is: “so long as they seem like a good, spiritual human.” Why would you choose to question such a one knowing that they “seem like a good, spiritual human”? If they do not seem to be a “good, spiritual human,” then it would behoove us to be mindful of the words of our Lord: “By their fruits you will know them,” yes? Bad fruit, bad tree; good fruit, good tree. We are instructed to “test the inspired expressions” to whether or not they originate with God. How do you test? You test by “love.” That is the determining factor. Is what is stated originating from love? If not, then it does not originate from God. Easy.

How do you determine which ones to believe and which ones to write off as being in a state of psychosis?

I think I have answered this one above. Psychosis is defined as: “ any severe mental disorder in which contact with reality is lost or highly distorted.” Interesting. You tell me something. If, from all appearances, reality is intact and the only exception to that (according to you) is that one hears a voice, how has reality been lost or highly distorted? Simply because YOU didn’t hear the voice?

Should a person not question himself when he hears such a voice?

Yes, of course. Again, we are instructed to test/question the inspired expression.

Would a person who is in a state of psychosis realize it?

Probably not.

What steps have you taken to eliminate the possibility that your mind was the source of the voice?

While it is true that the voice I heard was heard from within me, so to speak, as it was NOT an audible voice from outside of me, I know it did not originate WITH me. I realize that for some that this is rather subjective, however. What steps do you suggest be taken? I'm being serious here.

--Inkie

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To new Christians on JWN

by brotherdan in

i wanted to make a few comments to those of you that have recently begun to question or have already left the wt and made their way onto this site.

this site is a great resource to learn how others are coping with leaving the organization and moving on into a fulfilling life.. i wanted to write this post because i think reading something like this would've been helpful to me to understand where a lot of people that comment on this site are coming from.

you are going to hear from a wide range of people that have moved on to a diverse range of beliefs.

Inkie

BrotherDan:

And to be biblically specific (and I know I can be pedantic at times), a Christian is one who HAS BEEN anointed with holy spirit for the word itself MEANS "anointed one." Plain and simple. Unless you've been anointed with holy spirit you are not technically/bibilically (or in reality) a Christian. That anointing is Christ's decision. He wants us to ask for the holy spirit if we haven't yet received it. And he wants us to KEEP ON ASKING and it will be given.

--Inkie

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My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout in

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friends

my lord spoke to me for the first time yesterday and this morning he told me to post my experience.. i know there are going to be ones who will call me names and thats ok. i will accept whatever you feel you need to say.. here goes.

i heard a voice calling ''my child'', this happened while at the zoo so i was taken off guard!

i replied ''who is this?

Inkie

PSacramento wrote:

We all hear his voice,

Absolutely, Yes!

it was that voice that, everytime you read something from the WT, you heard in your head saying, "this is not right",

Absolutely, Yes!

it's the voice that when we are about to do what we know is wrong, tells us over and over, "don't do it".

Absolutely, Yes!

Yeah, sure you can ignore it like you did in the past, like you still do today sometimes, but you do know that when you listen to it, it is right.

And again, absolutely, Yes! Come to the realization that when this happens to you, it is the Christ speaking to you.

PSacto: Thanks for saying it so succinctly well.

--Inkie

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My Lord Spoke And Told Me Not To Post

by minimus in

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but i am disregarding him..

Inkie

You guys are just ALL too funny. I'm sure our Lord Jaheshua has smiled too and maybe even chuckled at you guys. --Inkie

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The Bully Chain....................

by Night Owl in

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you are sitting in your cubicle at work, doing what you are supposed to be doing, namely, working.. all of a sudden your boss comes over and starts give you a hard time.

"your work hasn't been up to par!".

"you've been spending too much time on the internet!".

Inkie

Night Owl, after the events you describe in this paragraph:

All of a sudden your boss comes over and starts give you a hard time. "Your work hasn't been up to par!". "You've been spending too much time on the internet!". He goes on and on and on. He is not only "under your skin", he gets deep inside of you.

I would grab my briefcase (or purse, if you're female) and say: "I suddenly do not feel well. As a matter of fact, I feel rather sick." And get up and leave. (Take your entitled sick leave.) Come back tomorrow. Tomorrow, I doubt if the boss will do that again.

--Inkie

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Where now?

by bez in

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friends

its been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).

this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??

the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .

Inkie

Bez, you wrote:

I do continue to pray and am feeling happier than ever at the moment..

Praise Jah! And what you are experiencing is ONLY the beginning of your happiness. Christ came to give us life—and not just any life—but life in abundance. Our Father is known as the “happy God,” so why wouldn’t His children be happy too. Especially considering that one of the fruits of the spirit is joy.

If you trust in God and trust in Christ (John 14:1), there’s absolutely no reason why your happiness shouldn’t continue.

As for feelings of guilt, just remember that feelings come and they go. They are very transient. If you can, if you are able, dispense with the guilt. It doesn’t do anything for you except keep you down. If you must deal with guilt, then decide to deal with it for only a few minutes, a specified decidedly determined amount of time, and then after those minutes have passed, discard the guilt feelings and go on about your day with joy.

Our Lord Christ will not steer you wrong. In ALL YOUR WAYS, take notice of God and Christ and you will do fine.

--Inkie

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Where now?

by bez in

jw
friends

its been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).

this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??

the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .

Inkie

You're welcome, Bez. However, please know that the best place to go is as I mentioned to you before--a WHOM. If you have questions, certainly you are free to ask anyone, anyone at all. But the best person to ask is Christ himself.

John 6:67-68 states:

"Therefore, Jesus said to the twelve: "You do not want to go also, do you?" Simon Peter answered him: "Lord, WHOM shall we go away to? You have the sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.

Peter's statement is so sadly often misquoted ("where"). He said "whom" not "where." It is Christ who has the sayings of everlasting life. Go to him, and you can't go wrong.

--Inkie

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Where now?

by bez in

jw
friends

its been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).

this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??

the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .

Inkie

Hi Bez: Yes, AGuest is correct. I don’t have access to a computer during the weekends so I usually only write during the week. Congratulations on your daughter’s first birthday party that she will celebrate. I know how very nice that can be. You are probably going to have as much fun, if not more so, as your daughter will. Enjoy the party. Remember, at Christ’s birth in Bethlehem, even the angels rejoiced! Now THAT was a birthday party to be sure.

As for your last post here, you’re very welcome, and I’m glad I could help in any way that I can. You asked:

Could i ask your views on the future?

Yes, however, you should know that these are not really “my” views. They are what has been recorded in the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and in some of the letters) and told by our Lord. You might want to re-read them again without the Watchtower glasses we all used to wear.

The future is quite bright actually. Unfortunately, before the bright day arrives, we humans are going to have to go through a bit of a hard time here on earth. That hard time is called the “great tribulation.” And, I’m sure you know how the Bible reads on that subject—“unless those days are cut short, no flesh would be saved.” That’s pretty serious. But those days ARE cut short for the sake of the chosen ones—of which true Christians are. “Immediately AFTER that tribulation,” our Lord returns to gather his own. Now that’s going to be a great day!

You wrote:

Of course as a witness i have believed in the 'new heaven and new earth'.. ie, paradise for the righteous... heaven for the 'annointed 144000'... And a ressurection to life on earth for judgement for those asleep in death...so what now?

The Bible does speak of a new heaven and a new earth and of a paradise for the righteous. That’s true. It also speaks of heaven for the 144,000; however, know that more than 144,000 are anointed. There is also a “great crowd” who are also anointed to be kings and priests of our God. I suggest you re-read those texts, again without the Watchtower glasses that we all used to wear.

The Bible does speak of two resurrections: the first one occurring after the “great tribulation” when our Lord returns and gathers his own. That’s the first resurrection. The second one occurs AFTER the thousand years has ended. (This is totally different from what the Society teaches.) Re-read the text and you will see that. That second resurrections is of those who did not belong to Christ. It is a resurrection in which some of those resurrected will get life and some who will get judgment.

There’s a lot more that can be said concerning the specificity of these subjects and we can certainly discuss them at length should you like. But this here pretty much answers your questions in a nutshell. Please feel free to ask anything else you want or about things discussed with more specificity. Happy to oblige you.

Enjoy your party! I love birthday cake!

--Inkie

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Where now?

by bez in

jw
friends

its been a long time coming but i kinda think im finally at the point of no return....... right or wrong, i have spoken to my 'friends' about my new feelings and the fact i no longer believe that this is gods chosen people etc etc... and have already been told that if i was to now celebrate my childs birthdays , her 'truth' friends would not be able to come to sleep again and associate with her... (she is 7).

this is despite the fact they are allowed to play with there non witness friends who live down the road....why??

the explanation is that their daughter would perhaps feel it is ok to do this when it is not... i ask why could they not just simply explain it is not our family's belief anymore (as my husband is with me on my decision), and my response is that it would be difficult to do that as we once were witnesses and now are not so it would confuse her daughter and make her think its ok to do these things now... .

Inkie

Bez, your wrote:

so i talk to christ and ask him to speak to God for me?

Well . . . yes and no. What I mean is, because Christ is your “friend,” because he is your “brother,” and because of the other things that he is, as described in this thread and, yes, even as described in other places in the Bible, you can speak to Christ 24/7 as you would speak to your best friend or as you would speak to a dearly beloved brother of yours. He (Christ), in turn, requests of his Father to let you enter into the Most Holy where Jah resides so that YOU can speak to Jah directly. Then, after a moment, you ask Christ if you can enter and speak to the Father. Then listen. Listen to how Christ responds to your request to gain that entrance. Christ will speak to you and tell you that, yes, you can enter. So then you enter and begin speaking in prayer directly to the Father—you and Him—one on one. But you have gone through the Christ for "no one comes to the Father except through me (Christ)."

i just curious as if i go to the figurative door and speak to Christ first, then how do i know that I have been granted access to talk to God??

You ask him (Christ) specifically if you can come in to the Father. He will tell you. Listen with your spirit. Listen with your spirit. You will hear him. He will tell you. And when you hear a “Yes,” you can figuratively walk in and literally begin speaking to the Father in your prayer—one on one. 'True worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. . . .'

Or am i correct in thinking that i do my talking to the Christ and he speaks to God for me and answers me directly?

As I said, you can speak to the Christ 24/7 just like you would a friend or any family member. He, however (while speaking on your behalf many many times), will allow you entrance so that YOU can speak to YOUR Father whatever is in your heart. When the Father speaks to you, He will speak to you through His Son. The Son (your friend, your brother) will speak to you what the Father says.

I hope this helps, Bez.

--Inkie

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'Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together...'

by bez in

jw
friends

just wondering what some of your opinions are on this scripture???

its one that has been thrown at me time and time again when i talk of my decision to leave the 'organization of god'.

as i would not be gathering together with his people and therefore forsaking the gathering of myself together..... (if ya get me!)..

Inkie

I totally agree with DonutHole when he wrote:

"Some Christians find much more love and encouragement meeting together with two or three for coffee than "going to church" or the Kingdom Hall."

Remember, Christ said: "Wherever there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst." That certainly is 'gathering together.' And don't forget the "love feasts" in the early congregations where they ate meals and shared and just had a good time among themselves. Nothing formal like the Evening Meal of JW's once a year.

--Inkie