Posts by JosephMalik

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Creation vs materialising

by smiddy in

this is a question that always puzzled me when i was a beleiver......in gen.chapt.6 where the sons of the true god began to notice the daughters of men and began taking them as wives,producing the nephilim,a hybrid race man/angel,the men of fame,what exactly is the difference between a created human being as in adam,and a materialised being??

?from an angel?

?one who is evidently in opposition to jehovah??

JosephMalik

one's original body changes its nature to that of another,

Leolaia,

I would not call it a change in nature but something more like a transfiguration with the result still human in nature. Like the face of Moses or the whole body of Christ that was experienced giving them exceptional capability as humans. Words like spirit body simply reduce in scripture to God given or a Godly provision and not a sinful body like the one we received from Adam. It would be something more like a body we would have received if Adam was faithful and ate from the tree of life. As for Enoch, we know that he never went to a place called heaven. Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. There are other ways to explain what happened to him. And yes, Jesus did raise the very same body that was executed and appeared to his disciples in it. Details that seem to disagree with this can be easily explained as I did in and article called Identifying the Antichrist.

Joseph

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Creation vs materialising

by smiddy in

this is a question that always puzzled me when i was a beleiver......in gen.chapt.6 where the sons of the true god began to notice the daughters of men and began taking them as wives,producing the nephilim,a hybrid race man/angel,the men of fame,what exactly is the difference between a created human being as in adam,and a materialised being??

?from an angel?

?one who is evidently in opposition to jehovah??

JosephMalik

So, isn't all life the same?

Satanus,

God decides what kind is important to Him not us. All life does not appear to be the same from this standpoint: Ge 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And we find such life according to its kind still in existence today. But human life is what was considered important enough for God to command: Ge 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Special permission like this singled us out and we are differentiated from other kinds of life in existence. And even this command was not given without careful consideration for such life for we also know that: Ge 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. So even such life must be treated with care. Such root teachings of scripture are the very foundation the why? for understanding our redemption.

Joseph

It will not be the life we now have, but the immortal human life Christ will give us that will result in the humanity that will exist in the world to come. Call it materialization. recreation, resurrection or something else. It will still be us and we will be much better off for it than we were before.

JM

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Creation vs materialising

by smiddy in

this is a question that always puzzled me when i was a beleiver......in gen.chapt.6 where the sons of the true god began to notice the daughters of men and began taking them as wives,producing the nephilim,a hybrid race man/angel,the men of fame,what exactly is the difference between a created human being as in adam,and a materialised being??

?from an angel?

?one who is evidently in opposition to jehovah??

JosephMalik

what exactly is the difference between a created human being as in Adam,and a materialised being???from an angel??

Smiddy,

Life! The life passed on to the human race all came from only one source and that was the Word or Logos that was with God. John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. But now there was another source of life introduced into the human race that was not authorized by God for such use. This had a direct relationship on the the sacrifice already agreed upon when sin entered the world that would redeem all mankind. This had to be corrected. It may seem like nothing to us, but life whatever it is and we all share the continuity of this one life, is important to God. Only one source of such life for humanity was authorized by Him. 1Jo 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

Joseph

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What/Who are the Saints?

by PSacramento in

according to the ot:.

saints :gadowsh meaning holy one and referes to those that have kept themselves free of difelment, idolatry, and other unlcean and profane things or the word gaddiysh which means those who are sacred to the most high, but can also man gods or deities.. in the nt:.

saint: hagios, meaning someone(something) revered, worthy of veneration, someone whos services god employs.. both meaning show that the individul is special and unique in god's eyes, yet there is no mention of any saint by name, the term always being use din the plural.. paul often addresses his letters to "the saints" of whatever church he was writing too and mentions "the saints" in general.. .

JosephMalik

I just looked things over quickly but the argument was made by some that a Saint is a believer in Christ, one that has been called out to be his disciple. This is true. A Saint is someone that makes more Saints under the command: Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Another way to say this is: Joh 14:23 Jesus replied," (If anyone loves me," he will obey my ‘teaching: My Father will love him," are we will come to him are ‘make our home with him: ‘ So a Saint is not someone that belongs to some denomination and follows their teachings, but someone that obeys the commandments of Christ that his Father gave him to teach. Joh 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching: These ‘words you hear as not my own? they belong to the Father who ‘sent me: ‘ And there are many other texts that demonstrate this.

Now some think that a Saint is someone just keeps a few commandments that were intended to make good people. Many of such good people will also be chosen to be in the kingdom when our Lord returns so such commandments were good. But such thinking falls short since good people, also called sheep in scripture do not make Saints. Some mentioned Ghandi and wonder what he was? Believing that Christ was good but not keeping His commandments does not qualify anyone to be a Saint if we believe what our Lord taught.

Joseph

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How many left???

by angel eyes in

does anybody know how many annointed are left alive??

our friend who was one of the annointed has died, i cried so much but then i was excited knowing shes in heaven meeting apostle paul, peter and brother knorr etc....wow how great is that :).

unsure how many are left though :((.

JosephMalik

Matthew 11:11, which indicates that not even John the Baptist will be in it?

Pjschipper,

Not the way I read that text. 11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. The way I see the verses it that they teach that John the Baptist takes the kingdom by force as the selection for it started with him. But anyone else born of women that can get into this kingdom for any reason will (at that time) be greater than this John they see before them now. Now the reasons for this is another matter and what John will be then in this kingdom is simply not discussed. We see a similar situation with the Apostle Paul in 1 Cor chapter 15 where he is included with the 12 as one born out of time. Even Jesus allowed himself to be baptized by John.

Joseph

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Believers Eternal Security vs. Tribulation Salvation

by Perry in

i found this interesting discussion on the topic of eternal security aka.

"once saved always saved".

http://www.rightlydividing.net/understanding_tribulation_salvat.htm.

JosephMalik

Perry,

Eternal Security vs. Tribulation Salvation is a myth. As Christians we all have a responsibility, like it or not. What the truth really is was stated by our Lord like this: Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. It is that simple. For those that believe in Christ and do not do this even if our Lord personally selected them for salvation we have: Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? It is not enough that we chose Christ or even if Christ chooses us. What does matter is something like this: Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. It is that simple. Now what does being faithful mean or what does keeping "my commandments" that our Lord taught mean? Do we have to run all over the Bible or belong to some doctrinal club like the WT or this guy's site to figure it out?

Joseph

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Moses was an Israelite Egyptian Military leader who rebeled! Any thoughts or info?

by Witness 007 in

josephus and other non bible sources say moses was an excellent egyptian military commander who defeated the ethiopians.

now while i'm re-reading these bible accounts i get the feeling that moses was a brutal and smart military man.

as the "meekest man" on earth he invaded many nations killing all the inhabitants, taking their land {promised by jehovah} spoils and virgins.

JosephMalik

Meek does not mean dumb, incompetent or weakling. While I do not know myself, a History channel presentation depicted the Israelites as very competent warriors and an extension of the Egyptian military for a long time that guarded its northern borders before they were finally enslaved by the then ruling Pharaoh who acted in fear of them and their skills.

Joseph

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How do they know Jesus returned invisibly?

by foolsparadise in

jw
friends

if jesus returned invisibly in 1914 how would anyone really know?

he was invisible.

ha!!.

JosephMalik

Mr 14:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

I stopped believing them long ago. After all they violate scripture with their doctrine. Jesus himself taught this to us since he knew that he would return visibly and there would be no need for signs and wonders as they result in such seduction. None of them take heed. That is the inevitable result of following men. Jesus called them false Christs and false prophets. And He was right.

Joseph

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Love, Justice, Wisdom, Power - the Resurrection

by xelder in

i have always been taught and believed that, at the end of the day, god is a perfect balance of love, justice, wisdom, and power.

when the ransom provision and christ's kingdom correct man's fall into sin, we will see this as true, no matter what trials we and all of mankind have had to face until then.

honestly, it has never mattered which of the two groups i was in.

JosephMalik

since it looks like you are applying it personally.

Deputy Dog,

Sorry, I did not know that you were also keeping the law. That is what I was talking about since your excerpts were dealing with it and you were applying them to yourself. This had nothing to do with judging you or your salvation. That is what Romans is dealing with as well, the correction of those being so informed about law on this one point. I think that you still do not understand the texts and there is not much that I can do about that but others needed to know. Faith in the work of Christ. It is not something that exists in a vacuum but something that is demonstrated every day. 2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? Why would we be asked to do all this if it was only a simply belief? It is not simple but has its own set of commandments. It is not some fuzzy feelings that we prefer over our responsibilities to such a faith. Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. Now Narkissos said: How some Christians can really accept and enjoy this idea, that they will be saved whereas others won't, even if they have many prooftexts to back it up, is beyond me. Well now we know your opinion and it is plain enough. It is beyond me as I am not the judge of such matters but am I still am obligated to discuss them. All I can do is to make known this possibility and what is said in them. You do not have to accept such texts, but others may actually care about them like the evil slave one or 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. It is what we do, what we teach that makes this difference that John was discussing whether we like it of not.

Joseph

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Love, Justice, Wisdom, Power - the Resurrection

by xelder in

i have always been taught and believed that, at the end of the day, god is a perfect balance of love, justice, wisdom, and power.

when the ransom provision and christ's kingdom correct man's fall into sin, we will see this as true, no matter what trials we and all of mankind have had to face until then.

honestly, it has never mattered which of the two groups i was in.

JosephMalik

Because I've been "declared righteous", not based on any righteous acts of my own, but, faith, based on the righteousness of the works of Christ. Being "declared righteous" sets me free from the law.

Deputy Dog,

That was pretty good thinking but I did want to say a bit more about this part since it looks like you are applying it personally. That is because this is a compound thought and it should be broken down and explained. The law under discussion here is the law of Moses, or the law covenant which was a major point of contention at the time. They were still keeping it instead of dropping it as a means of salvation. So in that case they were told and even warned that they were declared righteous (NWT) by means of faith or the works of Christ if you want to put it that way. This and many other texts make this point. Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Both they and we should be able to answer that question easily. And there are many texts that make this point like: Ga 2:18 Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down. 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. So now we have agreement with that part of your message. But being declared righteous is another way to say I am Justified or saved. And there is a little more to it than by simply not keeping the Law or making claims to such salvaton. James finally came to this conclusion when he said: James 2:24 NWT YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone. Why? Because words like faith or expressions like faith in Christ imply action. To believe means to act accordingly so that a demonstration of such belief becomes apparent. And to be a disciple means to perform the way Christ expects us perform as followers since he provided instructions to us. James now understood what Paul tried to teach him earlier and what others already knew like: 1 Tim 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. We do this he shows us on an individual basis as a Christian requiremnet, our responsibility, not on an organizational one of some sort. James failed in doing it his way before and was now setting things straight. There are other ways law is used in scripture and much more that can be said but I hope this helps. And there are other ways to gain salvation and gain entrance into the promised New Jerusalem by unbelievers but I just wanted to discuss this one a bit more. PSacramento made some excellent points as well in this thread. Thanks.

Joseph