three entire units of whole blood.
i needed surgery quickly, badly, right now.
i had bled out half my blood in a near-death accident, 'member?
DJ,
Can you read? Apparently not. She called me an idot. Idiotic remark means the same thing in case you do not know. Do you think that her phrasing protects her somehow? She was wrong and deserved what she got. If you want respect then show some. You do much the same thing as she did just as you are trying to do here. So why do you cry about it? You want a piece of me? Then do it with truth not trash like this.
Joseph
three entire units of whole blood.
i needed surgery quickly, badly, right now.
i had bled out half my blood in a near-death accident, 'member?
JosephMalik said:"Any lower than 8 and you can suffer permanent short term memory loss or loss of life due to complications." Where did you get that idiotic idea??? There is no clinical proof to back up that statement made out in the middle of the air. There are many documented cases of Hgb falling to 2 and still the pt. doesn't have those "permanent" effects. Please get your facts straight before spouting your ideas.
Joy2befree,
What a jerk. It happened to my wife. That is how I know. The doctors here know as they caused the problem and we discussed it with many doctors since then. It is also documented in her medical records. So believe whatever you like, rave like a maniac, but I know this from personal experience. Complications are random in people so some people pull through. This proves nothing. And that is only the half of it. You should get your facts straight before spouting off, idiot.
Joseph
Edited by - JosephMalik on 20 September 2002 16:43:17
i was thinking that since most of you have experianced shunning due to disfelowshiping or disassociation, that you might have some ideas adn scriptures to show how df and da shunning is unscriptural.
the elders were gracious enough to provide my wife with a packet to show how df'ng is scriptural and gag loving.. sean.
SJ.
I am not supporting disfellowshipping as practiced by the Watchtower. Their practice is wrong as they are the real apostates in this matter. This is easily proven from their own literature. The scriptures they apply to the supposed wrongdoer also apply to their leardership and their appointed henchmen. The ones with the power win over the ones with the truth. This is the real tragedy and judgment awaits them. But we are permitted to make judgements regarding individuals as shown after full disclosure of the facts and such judgment cannot be dictated to us. Therefore my post regarding your comments stands as written and speaks for itself. When posed with such problems our Lord expects us to judge others but He also expects us to make the right choices not evil ones.
Luke 7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
Joseph
Edited by - JosephMalik on 20 September 2002 12:52:34
i am sorry for disappearing from the boards the past few days.
i started overtime at work again and have been worn out.
i just wanted to fill you in on tink.
CC,
I seem to remember their being able to pulverize them with ultrasound while soaking in a tub of water. Could be an alternative to surgery?
Joseph
three entire units of whole blood.
i needed surgery quickly, badly, right now.
i had bled out half my blood in a near-death accident, 'member?
Sounds like you dodged a bullet. Any lower than 8 and you can suffer permanent short term memory loss or loss of life due to complications. But it sounds like you came out of it ok.
Joseph
i was thinking that since most of you have experianced shunning due to disfelowshiping or disassociation, that you might have some ideas adn scriptures to show how df and da shunning is unscriptural.
the elders were gracious enough to provide my wife with a packet to show how df'ng is scriptural and gag loving.. sean.
only God and Christ and the Holy Spirit can judge a person's heart.
Undisfellowshipped,
There is no such thing as A Holy Spirit that judges. In fact the scriptures even exclude the Father. But to phrase it as God? AND Christ AND the Holy Spirit makes 5 not three. The doctrine is a mess. Change it to Father and we have:
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
However while humans like the apostle Paul cannot determine someones salvation as in the context of the above text they can judge others on matters of faith and have done so notice:
1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
Paul could do this because he received corrospondence from them and could make such decisions. And when the Corinthians over reacted to his remarks he had to write them to correct them once again. So he was not always understood, but that does not make him wrong. And we also have:
1 Corinthians 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
Joseph
Edited by - JosephMalik on 20 September 2002 7:48:34
i was thinking that since most of you have experianced shunning due to disfelowshiping or disassociation, that you might have some ideas adn scriptures to show how df and da shunning is unscriptural.
the elders were gracious enough to provide my wife with a packet to show how df'ng is scriptural and gag loving.. sean.
Please know that disfellowshipping... or 'expelling from the synagogue'... was a "Pharisaical" teaching of Paul, for which he was reproved by the 12... and NOT a teaching of my Lord.
Paul said: "Remove the wicked man..."
Guest (SJ),
Paul was one of the 12 and Paul was not reproved by the rest of the apostles on this matter. In fact Paul reproved them for keeping the LAW and it took him many years before he actually got through to them. Trying to get rid of Paul is not going to solve this problem. If you have proof show it, but your statement is not supported in your post.
SJ said: My Lord said: "Go releasing and you will be released..."
Paul said: "Neither... [these nor those] will inherit the kingdom..."
The paraphrase you use here is not an answer. The questioner asks for proof? Where is it?
SJ said: My Lord said: "It is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of the heavens... [yet] with GOD... ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE..."
In speaking as he did, Paul went 'beyond' the things taught by my Lord, in that he made sin of the flesh "unforgivable."
How? Pauls projections were not final. But they were a warning to the sinner. Where is your proof? Explain in detail.
Quoting a page of scriptures does not do it. Each verse must be identified and explained in detail. But saying that Paul writings are the problem here or that his words should not be recognized as valid brings dishonor to our Lord who chose him specifically and miraculously to represent the faith as one of the 12.
Joseph
Edited by - JosephMalik on 20 September 2002 7:52:41
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are born agains qualified to help jw's?.
i don't think so.sorry if you are one i have nothing against you personnally, nor jw's come to think of it, but offering your version of truth to jw's is for them to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.. the bible is the root of jw problems , and following that book in which ever way you wish will always be in error..
Joseph: This is exactly what my entire point was. I'm not sure why you can't see that. It seems to me that all you have done is make Blanket statements. You gave no specifics whatsoever...
DJ,
Why do you say this? I explained it in detail. You applied it in a general way to XJWs and all Christians or to all churches and I knew that is the way you understood the term. I will let the readers see for themselves who was specific and who was not.
Joseph
Edited by - JosephMalik on 15 September 2002 22:20:2
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are born agains qualified to help jw's?.
i don't think so.sorry if you are one i have nothing against you personnally, nor jw's come to think of it, but offering your version of truth to jw's is for them to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.. the bible is the root of jw problems , and following that book in which ever way you wish will always be in error..
Joseph, I am really sorry but I read your post twice and I'm still not quite certain what you mean. I find it a bit sad when people call others "born agains". Don't you?
DJ,
I have no idea why you did not get what I said. The application that I made brought it up to date. The term born again is not a title, it is a truth. And it originally applied only to Jews like Nicodemus who believed in the LAW as the way to salvation.
DJ said: I mean as far as I've seen whether a person goes by the name Lutheran or Methodist or Presbyterian or Baptist or Non-denominational etc. they all have the same exact basic understanding of the gospel.
Yes they do, but that does not mean they have what we are calling truth here. They have a long way to go before their views can be called truth.
DJ said: Born again refers to the new life lived as a Christian and dying to the former ways. All Christians must be born again.
They should if they came out of darkness such as the WT and I explained this. But most are not since they hold teachings that are not part of the faith.
DJ said: don't know why such a big deal is made about this phraseology. Christianity is born again believers who make up the body of Christ.
And who are they? Catholics, Baptists, Lutheran, Methodists some others? Does the body of Christ exist divided? Would a true believer correct mistaken views if they are shown them? Yes! Can a Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist or some other do that? No not really. Secretly perhaps as long as they keep it to themselves. How then can one be born again if they must support views shown to be wrong?
Nicodemus was not encouraged to disagree with Jewish doctrine on LAW and salvation or to sneak around behind their back. He was to give it up completely, leave and not look back as if was not even born into it. That is what I said as well.
Joseph
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are born agains qualified to help jw's?.
i don't think so.sorry if you are one i have nothing against you personnally, nor jw's come to think of it, but offering your version of truth to jw's is for them to jump out of the frying pan into the fire.. the bible is the root of jw problems , and following that book in which ever way you wish will always be in error..
I think that XJW'S are the best suited to help a jw. It depends on whether or not the person seeking help is still interested in the bible or not. If he is, then an XJW now BA can be extremely helpful. If they have lost all faith, then naturally an XJW now BA is just another lie to them.
DJ,
This is true, XJWs are in the best position. But are they Born Again? Perhaps, but not the way some think. The ones that drop the false teachings of the WT and start over from scratch as if they were a new born and learn for themselves what is truth may be. This is like a Jew giving up Judaism and converting to Christianity with an entirely different outlook on salvation along with a unique set of truths quite different from the ones held before. But the ones that give up WT teachings and embrace traditional doctrines embraced by another denomination are not. They just traded one set of false values for another set just as bad. They did not start over from scratch and establish what was truth on their own. For the truth is quite different from what is taught in nearly every denomination and few are finding it. And then there are the lazy ones that think such truth will never be found or the task is hopeless. They tend to ridicule scripture and cannot help JWs see the error of their ways for they are not in a position to help them. By their own admission they place themselves outside the faith.
Joseph
