Posts by JosephMalik

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

What did Paul mean here? There is more to it than just verse 17. Paul described the situation of the Jewish Christians in Corinth that still kept the Law and were blinded by it like a veil over their eyes with:

2 Cor 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Now here is Paul’s explanation as to what happens when this veil is taken away and abolished.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

That spirit, the spirit of the Lord is renewed vision, liberty a new life for such believers apart from such Law. That is what the Lord did for them. It is like they are born again without the veil, without the Law of slavery that prevented them from having a real hope of everlasting life. The abuse of this word spirit, or wind which it represents and making it out to be a person or something unearthly that inhabits human beings is sick. Like demon possession imbedded in our theology. Such thinking has no place in the faith. Paul did not do this as he went on to say:

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

These Jewish Corinthians to which Paul wrote here should now have an open face that reflects the glory of the Lord, even the spirit of the Lord though their ministry. The word of God such as the writings of Moses he described would no longer be handled deceitfully the way such Law keepers were still doing but by the manifestation so such truth that Christ died for us and freed us from this Law "commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God." And of course the consequences that now visit those that do not believe. We can say then that: the light of the glorious gospel of Christ is that spirit.

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

My perception (because he didn't explain himself to me - who am I that he should?)... is that he is trying to get you to THINK... before you TRULY blaspheme... by saying God's DIDN'T use His spirit to do something.

Aguest,

The answer to something like that will come later. After all: our Lord said: Matt. 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, 37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

I am not critical of the texts the way you are. And I am not dependent upon voices speaking to me the way you are. And I do not say things like: the Holy Spirit, who is the Son of God and Holy One of Israel? Why? Because such things are not truth. All this was discussed in the link provided to you. So it seems that we both have done what we think is best for each other.

Joseph

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Those Whose Faith is in the Bible as the Word of God..

by AGuest in

may you have peace!.

i have been directed by the holy spirit to bring something to your attention and ask you with regard to it:.

matthew 17:1-13 gives an account of the transfiguration of my lord, when he was seen with elijah and moses... which was witnessed by peter, james, and john.

JosephMalik

It is these... and ONLY these that we need to know.

Aguest,

Most on here have done that a long time ago. But they do not hear voices like you and do not have knowledge and memory improvements imparted to them or tongues of fire over their head. They got to know the Father and the Son though the writing of others that did. It is a wonderful thing that you have another way that does not require such texts but that is just your circumstance. Try some hot tea with honey and lemon.

Joseph

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Those Whose Faith is in the Bible as the Word of God..

by AGuest in

may you have peace!.

i have been directed by the holy spirit to bring something to your attention and ask you with regard to it:.

matthew 17:1-13 gives an account of the transfiguration of my lord, when he was seen with elijah and moses... which was witnessed by peter, james, and john.

JosephMalik

I mean, John dosn't even mention a last supper per say, certainly not a "eucharist".

PSacramento,

I explained that there was no problem with the 6 and 8 days because the writers were measuring the time from a statement made about tasting death to two separate events that were days apart. One the trip to the mountain and the other the time of the transfiguration that took place on this mountain after 2 days of prayer. So we can see the variation in Luke that added to our knowledge. But your comment above on the last supper is also very telling. Why? Because from such accounts as these we can see something that we see on here every day. What we do here is to comment on others writing and elaborate on them. Well the writers of the Gospel and the apostle Paul for that matter in 1Cor when he answered their letter worked that way as well. This is why John did not comment on the last supper or the Eucharist. Since the event was adequately covered by the others John simply introduced the event so we know where he was in time and started his comments on what happened after this meal. In fact he added almost five full chapters (not verses but chapters) of things that happened that the others missed on that very night and event. We should know how this is done since we do that here every day. If we think like an author that is working with other peoples work and improving the message than we can grasp this. Putting the verses side by side then reveals how they provided clarification and additional information that gave us a more complete picture of what took place. When the texts are examined this way on our Lords suffering and death we learn that the events took days not hours and our Lord was kept in custody for some six days during passover and not the few hours that most teach. You can see this at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/ch9notes.txt With such good information that somehow managed to survive the ravages of time and perhaps a scribe or two that was weary and working in poor light it is a wonder that we have any of this at all.

Joseph

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Those Whose Faith is in the Bible as the Word of God..

by AGuest in

may you have peace!.

i have been directed by the holy spirit to bring something to your attention and ask you with regard to it:.

matthew 17:1-13 gives an account of the transfiguration of my lord, when he was seen with elijah and moses... which was witnessed by peter, james, and john.

JosephMalik

AGuest,

You started this thread by saying: "If the Bible contains no error, and if Matthew and Luke's accounts are "scripture"... which means the writers were "borne along by the Holy Spirit" when they wrote... why, then, does Matthew's account occur "6 days" ... and Luke's account occur "about 8 days"... " I notice this thread a few hours ago and demonstrated that the scriptures were accurate on this matter and your criticism or them was unfounded. This statement had nothing to do with the fulfillment of the transfiguration but I see that you or the holy spirit speaking to you failed to understand this. Well sometimes things happen like that.

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

You refer to a writing that came into being some years AFTER the occurrence. We have it NOW, sure. And, again, perhaps my Lord will have something put in writing as to what I was directed to ask YOU.

Aguest,

Witnesses of an event to not need to have it in writing at the very time the event occurs. Does that mean that it did not happen or the event had no relevance until it is documented? Does something become true only when it is written down. Do the words of the Father only count when this is done? Do you have any idea how someone in the Jewish faith gets their information? We have been through all that already. What I asked from you is an answer to these questions that you failed to answer.

You repeatedly claim in your responses that you hear the holy spirit but you do not explain how exactly? If you hear a voice do you mean a voice literally or figuratively? Is this just your perception of the texts or does such voice or such voices explain them to you? Is this our loud or just in your mind. Or is it through dreams? Is there some physical or emotional manifestation of this holy spirit? Exactly how did such words come to be directed to me?

Joseph

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Those Whose Faith is in the Bible as the Word of God..

by AGuest in

may you have peace!.

i have been directed by the holy spirit to bring something to your attention and ask you with regard to it:.

matthew 17:1-13 gives an account of the transfiguration of my lord, when he was seen with elijah and moses... which was witnessed by peter, james, and john.

JosephMalik

Mt 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Luke 9:28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

AGuest,

The answer is simple and anyone that is familiar with parallel or harmony translations would know it. Time, sometimes months of time is skipped between sentences and verses without warning. Matthew just gave the time it took for them to get to a high mountain, six days he explained. Matthew skipped over the time they stayed there praying which was for days not hours. After all they were prepared to erect tents during that event. They had equipment for a long stay. Luke simply told what happened at this mountain and explained why they went there but he only timed the transfiguration that took place and not the trip. Both included the sayings: Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. So now we have a very good account as to what prayer meant for Him and how long they prayed before our Lord was transfigured. Information that most miss when they are reading scripture.

I put together my own harmony of important events and have one on the Passover: Anyone can see this at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/ch9notes.txt This was done because most think that just a few hours passed after our Lord's arrest and execution. But when the scriptures are placed side by side then what is revealed is a long stay of some six days before our Lord's execution and a much longer time spent nailed up than most people realize. As I said in another post, things like this reveal a great deal about a person and their ability to understand texts.

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

However, the Holy Spirit directs me to ask: where was the PROOF at the time ANY heard the voice of God or Christ?

Aguest,

Sure. I already provided one which you ignore but here is another: De 4:12 Then the LORD spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of words, but saw no form; there was only a voice. In such cases we have scriptural verification. But you have no scriptural verification for your claim that Peter heard Gods voice. You put it this way; "He HEARD it. Directly from the Father" So where is your proof? Now this was a simple reference to the Fathers' words recorded in scripture that Peter heard all of his life and perceived which were spoken indirectly by Priests in the synagogue. Understanding our Lords words in this way impacts directly on how we understand other texts, or to put it another way, our inability to understand them. Both views are now here out in the open for the readers to see. Our Lord here is equating such words as from the Father and that is the point that I was making. He knew what Andrew said to Peter. That is why our Lord mentioned it when he said: “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven." The operative word here is revealed not said or voice. All you offer is distractions along with your accusations. But our Lord knew full well that it was not Andrews words but such words of the Father, words recorded in scripture that prompted Peters response.

You repeatedly claim in your response that you hear the holy spirit but you do not explain how? Do you hear a voice? Is this just your perception of the texts? Is it through dreams? Is there some physical or emotional manifestation of this holy spirit? Exactly how did such words come to be directed to me?

Joseph

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2 Questions For AGuest : )))

by snowbird in

a definition of god that works for me: the supernatural being(s) conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator(s) and ruler(s) of the universe; the object(s) of worship by those who believe thusly.. *i added the parentheticals because i believe there are two beings that make up the one god.*.

1. do you agree with that definition?.

2. what do you believe was the role of the son before his incarnation, and do you believe he is a creature?.

JosephMalik

What I was directed to say is that Peter LEARNED what he did... in the SAME way the John [the Baptizer] learned what HE did: directly FROM God... "who is in the heavens." The MOST Holy One of Israel spoke to Peter... just as He did to John... when revealing who it was that was His Son. True, BOTH had read the prophecies. But it was GOD'S VOICE... that validated what they themselves came to KNOW.

AGuest,

And I said where is your proof? We have validation for God's voice in scripture like this: Mt 3:17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” It is not necessary to write paragraphs to prove this. It is not necessary to run all over the bible to make a simple point like this. Where is the verse that says God;s voice validated what they learned? It has already been shown that the scriptures serve this purpose for us. I am not impressed with statements like: I am to warn you: such a statement is BLASPHEMY... You cannot forgive sins or raise me from death. Nor can you prevent our Lord from doing that.

You said: "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery , which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made knownto all nationsfor the obedience of faith:"

Even your own paraphrase disagrees with your assumptions. It states clearly that "now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God" and not by the voice of God from heaven as you insist. You have not provided any material in support of your view. Why should anyone listen to you especially when you say things that are not true like this.

You said; Unlike your conclusion, which means... flesh and blood... DID reveal it to Peter... and not our Father who is in heaven.

Everyone reading this thread knows that I did not come to this conclusion. The error is yours.

Joseph

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Maybe this is the reason I have not heard

by Doug Mason in

a short while ago, i asked for comments and criticisms of my understanding of the wts's "bible chronology".. i just realised that possibly i did not get any responses because i had provided the two-page file in .docx format.

so i have resaved the file in .doc format at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/wts_bible_chronology.doc.

JosephMalik

Doug,

That link worked just fine. MS Word also lets you save as a web page and that should have worked as well. I hope that comments are OK because I have not tried to understand any of this in detail. What I have witnessed that others have done with their star charts and astronomical tablets is just mind boggling. It takes us outside of scripture which does not make sense and the answer if there is one would have been included in it. And you know the text that no one knows the day and hour so astronomical calculations are not the answer. The best that we can hope for is to recognize the generation in which the end will come since there is some detail on that recorded. Otherwise we would not be able to hold our heads up and realize that our deliverance is getting near. Well 1914 is not that generation. It is a mistake and they know it. I tried something else to pick this generation out from history but I did it to show how easy it was to mislead others using scripture. It there is any truth to it then it is accidental and not intentional. And at my age this kind of information is not much good. If I make it to tomorrow then I am having a good day. It will be interesting to see what kind of response you get to your chart.

Joseph