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  Kind of Neat... for me at least.

  by RichieRich in

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  so its no surprise to most of the people here, but i stretch my earlobes.. and i just reached sort of a big milestone, for me i guess.. i made it to an inch.. that's 25 mm, for you crazy not americans stuck on the metric system.. and considering the original hole was exactly 1 mm in diameter, i just think its cool i increased the size by 25 times.. now if only i could stretch my bank account.. .

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  In the next 10-20 years, when you start seeing my generation taking over the business world

  It's your life to do as you see fit Rich, but don't expect a generation of kids that appear as you do to take over the business world. I realize that your generation will be taking over, but what I meant was, do not expect to climb the corporate ladder very far with that personalized look(if climbing that ladder interests you). As far as you are taking this body augmentation of yours, I imagine that owning a body mod/tat shop is in your future?

  Just remember, the more you change your body, the less mainstream jobs will become available to you. It's a fact, and one you probably already realize.
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  It is clearly seen as it strikes the ground. The next frame shows the explosion.

  As I said before, if it is so clearly visible, why are there so many arguments debating if it is a plane or a missile? All the video shows is the nose of a white object. It is not clearly identified.
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  Both videos show the plane just before impact.

  If they did, this entire thread would be moot. But no - those videos do not show the plane.
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  Apologies From The Watchtower Society

  by The wanderer in

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  <!-- .style1 { font-size: 20px; font-family: arial; color: #0066cc; } .style2 { font-family: arial; font-size: 18px; color: #0066cc; } .style3 { font-family: verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; } --> apologies from the watchtower societywhat if the watchtower bible and tract society owned up to its mistakes .

  how would you react to it?

  naturally, this is all speculation because the .

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  Even when looked at hypothetically, they would never apologize.

  [God] doesn't apologize.
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  The President (even if Bush was evil as some seem to think he is) can't just direct that private property be confiscated.

  So under whose ultimate authority can TSA take away your belongings at the airport? What would happen if you walked through security at the airport with a 4 oz plastic, see-through bottle of shampoo?

  Who signed into being the Department of Homeland Security?
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  but it's a leap from there to "because people have the ability to conspire, 9/11 must have been a conspiracy," which is, I think, what our defeated and erstwhile friend was arguing.

  All I'm saying is, it would be foolish to take a firm standing on either side. Some will take the side of what appears to be the rational and easily explainable non-conspiracist conclusions all the while labeling the administration as being incompetent, while others will run with the conspiracy. I was just using Northwoods as an example of why it would not be totally out of mind to view some aspects of 9/11 as a conspiracy. There are still quite a few unanswered questions out there which lead some to believe that a conspiracy exists. And as long as the *potential* proof remains under lock and key by the government due to "national security," there is no way in telling whether or not we should give credence to some of these conspiracist's theories.
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. watchtower
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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  They couldn't immediately put that into place even if they were a competent administration, which they're not.

  I find these arguments ineffective and I'll tell you why. Prior to 9/11, I was flying back and forth from Houston to Denver every week for about 3 months. In my laptop backpack, I carried a bunch of hand tools. Some of these tools consisted of - screwdrivers, pliers, and box cutters. I was installing a new wireless data network in Denver and it required these tools. The box cutters were used to cut and strip the weatherproofing on coaxial connections on antennas and radio equipment. Of all these weeks of flying, I was questioned twice about these tools - both times at DIA. One time, the security people at the xray scanners almost confiscated my tools. Mind you, these are metallic objects that could kill someone very easily.

  Back to my point - All it would have taken was a directive from the president for these security checkpoints to start confiscating these types of objects. Simple as that. No long term or outlandish planning would be required to do this. Just an xray machine, a metal detector, and a trash can. Items which every airport already had. I don't buy into the argument that 1,000's more airport personnel would be required to do what I had already been through. Prior to 9/11, I would have understood the need to confiscate my job tools. But no one ever told them to do so until it was too late. Or was that the plan in the first place?
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  The answer is, nothing would stop them from planning one. But reality would very likely prevent them from implementing it.

  Exactly. Had Kennedy approved it, Cuba would likely be a US territory today - like a Puerto Rico. But when you compare the Kennedy administration to the Bush one, what major differences do you come away with? I see a "my way or the highway" mentality. You have a VP who equates the pulling of troops out of a neverending war as "supporting the terrorists" and being "anti-American." I'm just waiting for the pres or vp to flat out say, "We run this country, not you. Stay out of our business American people."

  it was a terrible idea and wouldn't have worked.

  Is this simply your opinion or is it from someone that had input to Northwoods? From what I read, they had it planned down to a tee. It was only Kennedy who quashed it. Kennedy's entire JCoS signed off on it. Obviously they thought it would be a good idea...

  Again, Northwoods doesn't prove anything about 9/11 - I have no problem with that. But in light of this document becoming public, it shows that a precedence existed dating back to the 1960's, at least. Who knows what else has happened in the world since then which was fabricated by governments.
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. watchtower
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  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  The fact that Northwoods existed doesn't constitute evidence that 9/11 was a conspiracy

  Of course it doesn't constitute evidence that 9/11 was a conspiracy. The question is, if prior US administrations could draft such heinous operations against *innocent* civilians, what would stop another administration from doing the same thing on a larger scale? We cannot firmly say one way or the other that the Bush administration did or did not contribute or allow 9/11 to occur. And taking a firm stand on either side of this coin is foolish. It could be decades from now that information might leak out about the truth surrounding 9/11. I wouldn't go so far as to say that we have the answers to every single question out there.
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  9/11 Pentagon video released, shows explosion and no plane

  by What-A-Coincidence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as shown on cnn: no plane on video from hotelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atj5sute0oq.

  no big plane aa77 on pentagon videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fjdamiffi.

  removing evidence and witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjejip_47tq.

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  I've never taken a side on this issue, but when pressed, none of the anti-conspiracy crowd has ever addressed Project Northwoods and how it could compare to recent events. The best someone has ever come up with is, "This administration is not smart enough to pull off an event this large and complex." Again, this doesn't address the comparison between Project Northwoods and 9/11, but rather, points to an "intelligence" factor with this administration combined with the notion that "hundreds or thousands" of people would have to know about it.

  If previous administrations(democrats) could conjure up such black operations under the guise of leading the USA into war with another country, what would stop another administration(republicans) from doing the same thing? Granted, this administration may or may not have deliberately sponsored these "terrorist" acts themselves, but they would be just as liable if they allowed them to take place. The famous line of questioning to Condi Rice regarding the Presidential Daily Briefing over Al Qaida planning attacks in the USA demonstrates they could have let it happen willingly. Why didn't they immediately put into place the strict measures that we have to endure today when we fly??