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  question from a NJW regarding a family JW in medical condition

  by maggie221 in

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  hello, this is my first post here and i will try and be breif.

  i am not a jw but have an uncle and family who is strong into their belief.

  my cousin (his son) is in the hospital and had a bad accident at work.

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  Joyzabel

  alw,

  it is not well known among the JWs but several years ago when the european counsil was looking to the deaths of many "cult" members, they said that JWs were a cult if they allowed their followers to die instead of taking blood. So there is an official letter from the WT to the European Council stating that a JW will NOT be df'd for taking blood. Thus the WT escaped the "cult" label in eruope. But did they let the R & F know about that letter? lol, no. So technically, they are not Df'd, but they announce "they are no longer one of JW's". ( and the shunning begins)

  I'm hoping someone on here will have a copy of that letter. Or maybe LeeElder on his site has it.

  edited to add: http://www.ajwrb.org/basics/perjury.shtml
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  question from a NJW regarding a family JW in medical condition

  by maggie221 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, this is my first post here and i will try and be breif.

  i am not a jw but have an uncle and family who is strong into their belief.

  my cousin (his son) is in the hospital and had a bad accident at work.

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome to the board, Maggie221.

  I'm sorry you have to come with the problem you present.

  First of all, go to the hospital and be with your uncle. The JW religion tries to be family, but only real family can give support emotionally, imho.

  Even if your counsin signed a "no blood card" and he is an adult, you can tell your uncle that JW's don't get disfellowshipped, kicked out, of the religion for taking blood. Unfortunately this is not the time to get into the details on what JW's allow and don't allow because it is all based on nonsense. Please see the website quoted to you, it has a lot of detailed medical information.

  If the worse happens, JW's have funerals for their members and of course everyone is welcome to attend. But be forwarned that it will be a sale's pitch for their religion more than morning about the loved one.

  I say do what your heart says to do for family. That is love and maybe your uncle will remember the love shown him by his family.

  Hugs,

  Joy
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  Last JW meeting

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when you finally came to the jw meeting that you knew was your last one, what were your thoughts, feelings or actions?

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  my last was the summer convent of 1986. i stood there until everyone left and then i took a picture with my new camera of the empty stadium, the wish being that the wts would collapse and never fill up again stadiums with people.

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  Joyzabel

  funny I don't remember my last meeting now.

  I remember in March of 2001 when I gave my last student talk that it was my last. Somehow I knew I would never be doing that again. It wasn't until the next month that I read CoC, began becoming "weak", "irregular" etc and missed so many meetings do to work or family health problems. I too would sit there and wonder what happened to others who were no longer attending, did they wake up like I did!

  At the time I was trying to fade and not get caught because of the mind-control. If I was quiet and good, and hoped they would leave me alone. Now I wish I would have been more vocal about the falsehoods in the organization, the cult-like behavior. I would drop hints but now since I feel I've deprogrammed to the point that I would have done things differently to help wake others up.

  *shrugs* I've found that people that don't want to wake up, won't. No matter how much you love them and wish they had their freedom. Lots of people are attracted to that religion for a reason. Its a nice comfortable box to not have to think.
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  Another Newbie From Wisconsin

  by pisces in

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  i have been reading many of the posts and i can not get over how many people have similar feelings to me.

  i would like to share my background.

  first i was born into the organization and all the relatives that i knew were jws.

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome to the board, pisces.

  Hope to hear more from ya.

  Joy
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  Just got my copy of In Search of Christian Freedom

  by Goldminer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my book came in last week and i picked it up on thursday.i was nowhere near as nervous as when i purchased crisis of conscience.so far i've read the first 2 chapters and i will definitely learn a lot from this book,it's a real gem of spiritual truths and christian freedom.. while i was in the christian bookstore picking up my book i took the time to order 2 more books.. -the gentile times reconsidered.

  -combatting cult mind control.

  i'm looking forward to reading those also.hopefully i can subtely share some of this material with my family members who are still deeply brainwashed by the wts.. goldminer

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  Good for you.

  lol just thinking about how JWs/xJWs get "nervous" just getting those books. Don't tell me we weren't under mind control!
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  Do you think Six made himself ILL?

  by Sparkplug in

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  look at what this man is doing!!!

  jehobah told him to go preach all over texas and instead he sits and eats....what is that?

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  Do you think Six made himself ILL?

  yes
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  Howdy Ya'll , how is everyone???

  by LyinEyes in

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  2. friends

  i am posting this topic to say hello from wildturkey and the rest of our family.

  it has been one crazy , wonderful year for us.

  we have been staying so busy ( sometimes too busy) with the kids,all of their "worldly" pursuits ya know!!!!!!!!!!.

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  Joyzabel

  why HEY you two. Good to hear your life is moving on and you guys are doing wonderful!

  muah!

  Joy
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  Things are more serious for Ozzie..................

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  .....................i received an sms from mrs ozzie last night informing me that ozzie is having an extremely risky operation on wednesday morning, 8am australian time.

  i can't give more details at this stage as to the procedure due to confidentiality but i can assure you it is going to be dangerous!

  mrs ozzie said that it had to be done despite the risk.. so if all of us here could take a moment tomorrow and send positive thoughts.

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  Joyzabel

  (((((Mr & Mrs Ozzie))))

  will be thinking of you two especially today @ 3pm (thanks LT )

  May God comfort you and be with you two, no matter what.

  Hugs,

  Joy
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  Dateline story

  by gringojj in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi does anyone know where i can get the dateline story of the wts on line preferably for free?

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  Joyzabel

  check "Silentlambs" website. It has a recording of the Dateline show.

  ps, sorry, welcome to the board.

  the site is www.silentlambs.org
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  Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

  by AlanF in

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  i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

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  Joyzabel

  I was already on my way out, trying to fade, but when the UN/NGO situation was revealed I was LIVID!!! Since I was little that's all I ever heard was that the UN was the "wild beast" and to have association with that organization would be like sleeping with a harlot.

  I had joined the YMCA for a day back in the 80's because they had the only heated pool in the town. I loved to swim and wanted to get back into shape after having 2 babies. At the time I was in college going through nursing school. My husband said I would get DF'd if I didn't unjoin the Y. ()

  I thought what an arrogant organization to do what they expel people for. They ruin people's lives through their disfellowshipping program and yet they slept for 10 years with the harlot while riding the back of the "image of the wild beast". (Mental picture from the Revelation book of the harlot riding the wild beast) *shivers*

  Joy