Posts by Sayswho

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can anyone tell me if these words are in the bible?

by bigmac in

i'm hoping to get clarity on a few points, but please, don't think i'm too lazy to do my own research: i do not have a bible in my house.. or the koran.

or the book of mormon.

or a copy of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy (unfortunately ).

Sayswho

W95 1/15 19

A New Name
14 In 1931 a bright flash of truth revealed to those Bible Students a fitting Scriptural name. Jehovah’s people had understood that they could not accept any of the nicknames that others had given them, such as Russellites, Millennial Dawnists, and “no hellers.” But they also began to appreciate that the name that they themselves had taken—International Bible Students—did not do them justice. They were far more than just Bible students. Besides, there were ever so many others who were students of the Bible but who had nothing in common with the Bible Students.
15How did the Bible Students come to have a new name? For years The Watch Tower had been making the name of Jehovah prominent. Therefore, it was most appropriate that the Bible Students should adopt the name found at Isaiah 43:10: “‘You are my witnesses,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.’”

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Had a wicked fall this morning

by Lady Lee in

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omg i got up and tripped over some cases i had on the floor.

i landed on my forehead, left knee and left fist.. my glasses moved up and dug into my forehead so i have some pretty interesting marks there.. i have a doctor who lives two doors down from me and he came over and checked me out.. i didn't lose consciousness or have other signs of concussion.

no broken bones.. but i am sore all over.. my doctor friend said if i have any problems to call him.

Sayswho

Lady Lee, please know that one more person is thinking about you... and I hope you recover quickly

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MUST READ AlanF's email to Knocking.org

by sf in

this is a must-read that, hopefully, will stay an "active topic" for all seekers and lurkers, by bumping it to the top as often as possible.

alan wrote it in randys {dogpatch} thread regarding knocking.org documentary and in reply to the email mr. engardio sent to barbara anderson.

however, it is so vital a read that it indeed needs its own thread:.

Sayswho

bumb..nice read

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SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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(note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

Sayswho

"BillyB" very good point. This is one area that needs to change! NO MORE SECRET MEETINGS!

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HELP REQUEST - Judicial Committee Hearing tonight!

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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i hate to ask you good folks to jump around but the first post in the thread below explains why i'm going into the jc meeting, hence the basis for my questions below.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198636/1/reply-to-judicial-committee-question-thenoblelodge.

i have no idea how to present my witnesses.

they've already agreed to show up.

Sayswho

2Tim. 2, 23-26... Gives good council for Elders as well as to all. Notice this is not only for unbelievers but for those who are believers, but who now may be having problems believing a teaching (or?)...these two phrases are used;---"not favorably disposed" and "back to their proper senses"... read the verses below.

23 Further, turn down foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing they produce fights. 24 But a slave of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all, qualified to teach, keeping himself restrained under evil,25 instructing with mildness those not favorably disposed; as perhaps God may give them repentance leading to an accurate knowledge of truth, 26 and they may come back to their proper senses out from the snare of the Devil, seeing that they have been caught alive by him for the will of that one.

So can you have thoughts or beliefs that are not aligned with "present day teachings" and still be in good standing? The scriptures indicate you can...until there is enough scriptural proof otherwise. This proof becomes clear with time not with threat of being DF if not believed when stated. Read below:

It may be difficult at times to understand such updated explanations, but the reasons for them become clear in due course. If a Christian does not fully understand a new explanation of a scripture, he does well humbly to echo the words of the prophet Micah: “I will show a waiting attitude for the God of my salvation.”—Micah 7:7.-w00 1/1 p10

Proverbs 28:5. If we ‘seek Jehovah’ through prayer and a study of his Word, we “can understand everything” needed to serve him acceptably.

*SaysWho*

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New elders' manual - a few more details

by sir82 in

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per a recent boe letter:.

-- new manual will be softcover.

-- elders can keep their old elder manual if they choose.

Sayswho

(Copied from other post--fits better here)

The terminology is being changed for the use of broader control…”Brazen and or loose conduct”. Brazen could mean to be defiant, to stand your ground or even defy –challenge. So when they push their unscriptural rules on you they will be able to say they have the authority to demand that you comply-- based on the new reasoning of what “loose conduct” implies. It has been said that not going along with what the”wicked” elders suggest is going against their god given authority. I have witnessed this first hand…there are elders that will take this to mean they can control every aspect of your life---like it or get out...or...stand your ground. If it is not scripturally wrong then they really have no ground to stand on. I have facial hair, no rebellion just because I want to. They don’t really like it but not much they can really do. Call it “brazen” but don’t dare think you can DF me for it. I also put my arm around my wife and I dare anyone to tell me otherwise. I am not a tough guy just solid in what I know to be right.

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Could you be DF'd for holding hands during prayer?

by dissed in

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yes you can, if....you are brazen about it.. as we were disciussing on another thread, inserting 'brazen' for 'loose conduct' in the new elder handbook, can open a world of excuses to disfellowship someone.. just read between the lines of this new, 'expanded explanation'.. "elders, are you tired of ones defying your authority?

ignoring your counsel?

countering your illogical reasoning on beard growing, showing affection during prayers, etc....then embarrassing you infront of others?

Sayswho

The terminology is being changed for the use of broader control…”Brazen and or loose conduct”. Brazen could mean to be defiant, to stand your ground or even defy –challenge. So when they push their unscriptural rules on you they will be able to say they have the authority to demand that you comply-- based on the new reasoning of what “loose conduct” implies. It has been said that not going along with what the”wicked” elders suggest is going against their god given authority. I have witnessed this first hand…there are elders that will take this to mean they can control every aspect of your life---like it or get out...or...stand your ground. If it is not scripturally wrong then they really have no ground to stand on. I have facial hair, no rebellion just because I want to. They don’t really like it but not much they can really do. Call it “brazen” but don’t dare think you can DF me for it. I also put my arm around my wife and I dare anyone to tell me otherwise. I am not a tough guy just solid in what I know to be right.

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Help from those with the CD rom

by elderelite in

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i am desperately trying to get my wife to be balanced with the fs thing.

she is obsessed with being a pioneer.

i am so close to getting her to stop... yknot has been invaluable with a lot of personal things that have made a big difference, but i need a little nudge... if someone can find a quote from a wt source that shows it is wrong to neglect family to pioneer... damn hard to find.

Sayswho

Sorry have not visited this topic for a bit...as stated the km ref to the 67wt...I should of put that in...sorry for the confussion.

Your are welcome...elderelite hope things work out.

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Help from those with the CD rom

by elderelite in

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i am desperately trying to get my wife to be balanced with the fs thing.

she is obsessed with being a pioneer.

i am so close to getting her to stop... yknot has been invaluable with a lot of personal things that have made a big difference, but i need a little nudge... if someone can find a quote from a wt source that shows it is wrong to neglect family to pioneer... damn hard to find.

Sayswho

Here is a KM-1971- 2/71

IS PIONEER SERVICE FOR YOU?

5 Since the preaching of the Kingdom message is a prominent part of the life of a Christian minister, and one of which he keeps a record so as to make a report to the congregation, some may be inclined to judge whether they are pleasing to God simply in terms of the hours they devote to the field ministry. It is fine that they see the importance of that work; we all should. We need to ‘buy out’ time from other pursuits to devote to this vital work. The apostle Paul wrote to the congregation at Ephesus: “Keep strict watch that how you walk is not as unwise but as wise persons, buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked.” But from what should we ‘buy out’ the time? Are we to sacrifice our own spirituality, cutting out personal Bible study and meeting attendance in order to preach? Are fathers to neglect their families? Are mothers to neglect their responsibilities to their husbands and their children in order to preach more?No; that is not the point. It may be that these necessary things can be better organized to make more room for the field ministry, but do not forget that all these other responsibilities are part of one’s life as a Christian minister. Paul goes on to say: “On this account cease becoming unreasonable, but go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is.” (Eph. 5:15-17) And then in the following verses he shows that the “will of Jehovah” includes proper attention to the physical, emotional and spiritual needs of the members of one’s family. (Eph. 5:21–6:4) So, in ascertaining what one can do in the field ministry, one needs to take into consideration his entire life as a Christian and ask what course will truly result in the best spiritual condition for all in the household and so will bring the greatest glory to God.

6 Some, on examining their situation, realize that the course that is truly consistent with their dedication to God is for them to be sharing in the field ministry full time, as pioneer ministers, devoting a hundred hours to preaching the “good news” each month. They have completed their secular schooling, are young, in good health and without family obligations or other responsibilities that have a prior claim on them. (Eccl. 12:1, 13) They do not choose to get established in a career in the business world, because they cannot see throwing in their lot with a system that God’s Word plainly says is ‘going out of business’ in the near future. So how do they react to “attractive offers” from the world? During his last year of high school one young brother, just a short time ago, was offered scholarships that would have completely paid for a college education. But he knew that success he might enjoy in the world would be, at most, short-lived. He called to mind the Bible’s counsel: “Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world . . . the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.” (1 John 2:15-17) Love for Jehovah and faith in His word of promise moved him to enroll as a pioneer.

7 On the West Coast of the United States a married man was busy paying for his home. It required regular, full-time secular work, but he spent some time in the field ministry. Yet, being honest with himself, he realized that he was more concerned about his secular work and his home than he was with Jehovah’s service. He knew that, to please Jehovah, he had to improve his spirituality. (Matt. 19:21; 5:3) After careful consideration, he sold his home and he and his wife became pioneers. They began to enjoy the service as they never had before. Soon they were invited to share in special pioneer service where the need was greater, then to the Watchtower Bible School of Gilead for missionary training, and now they are serving in Colombia. Jehovah has richly blessed them for the faith they showed in enlarging their share in the preaching work.

8 Others who have enrolled as pioneers have children to consider. In some cases it would not be possible to take on the responsibilities of a full-time pioneer minister and at the same time properly care for children. There are a variety of factors involved, including personal organization, one’s health, and the ages and traits of the children. But, in examining her own circumstances along with her husband, one mother felt that her becoming a pioneer, even for a time, would be a good thing for the spirituality of their entire family, and she reported that that is the way it turned out. Her preschool-age boy went with her in the service and thoroughly enjoyed it and her seven-year-old began asking when he could pioneer. Another mother who also has pioneered said: “Knowing that pioneering doesn’t excuse one from other obligations has made me a more conscientious wife and mother as well as a better housekeeper. In order to be fruitful in the ministry, pioneering has taught me that one must lean heavily upon Jehovah at all times.” Having a mother who was a pioneer minister proved to be a rich blessing to these families. Would that also be true in your case?

9 In the case of a Witness living in Ohio the situation was different. She had the desire to pioneer, all right. But she became a Witness two years after her husband had left her with four youngsters to raise. She did not sidestep that responsibility, but diligently raised all four of those children to love and serve Jehovah God. Though she could not pioneer, she instilled the desire to share in full-time preaching in each one of her children. Each one of them spent between five and seven summer vacations in that full-time service and, on graduation from school, each one became a pioneer minister. Having faithfully cared for those family responsibilities, the mother too rejoiced to have the opportunity to enroll as a pioneer.

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How JWs reacted to TV show and comment about 1975 prophecy.

by iknowall558 in

jehovahswitness newsblogsherri shepherd does it again.

can't make this stuff up folks...abc the view | jehovah's witnesses | 2010www.youtube.comsherri shepherd does it again.

can't make this stuff up folks... join our youtube group.

Sayswho

Give me a break...They (we) certainly did proclaim the end was coming in 75. I was going to meetings and assemblies that were saying just that plus all the articles. We were also going in service making the proclamations that the end was coming. STOP the LIES!!! Those who don't know or who have not researched what REALLY has been going on ---- need to stop repeating what the eldres or GB is saying.

Be like a Berean (Acts 17:10,11)
Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas out to Be·roe′a, and these, upon arriving, went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni′ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.